Argh. Another IC v. PC chilling system thread

[eric19312]

Great, thanks Eric. Please indulge this, because I know it's weird, but certain things are like a bee buzzing around upstairs. If I hear you:

Flameout, let's say, set IC in BK x 10 minutes. WP x 10 min. or cool to some agreeable temp (170, let's say), and WP x 10. Settle and hop stand.

Recirc/Cool. Once reaching pitch temp and with WP/pump still running, a mere couple minutes, enough to get WP flow, suffices to start a WP up again. Then kill the pump and wait (here's where I don't know how long, because I've never watched it) for cone to form.

Is that about right? Great, if so. My thing was that if I pulled the IC and restarted the WP, it would essentially be as long as I went the first time, and though cold, calculating impact on hop flavor and aroma was difficult. My WP rest as I did it was a hop stand, and the 20-20 minutes of resting was more than enough. Do you have a ballpark on how long a rest is required at our scale, to develop a proper cone?

Very cool on the auto-siphon. Had no idea whatsoever. I'm going to look into it. Thanks, Eric.

Flameout -10 min, ic into the kettle, water to IC off, pump on
Flameout burner off,, water to IC on, pump still on
Flameout +2 min, wort in kettle now about 190F, Water to IC off, pump still on, whirlpool hops into kettle
30 min later, wort (call it hop soup) now about 170F, water to IC on, pumps still on
20 min after that (YMMV) wort in kettle now 70F, water to IC off, pull IC from kettle, pump is still on
2 min later, stop pump and allow wort to settle.
If you do the autosiphon from top you prob need to wait 10 min.
If you want to gravity feed from bottom might wait 60 min.

Me I just pull the IC and pump into the fermentor without waiting.

 

[user 246304]

OK great, thanks Eric. We're actually pretty close - and this is past, not current or future practice - I only put the IC on after flameout because I'm pretty uptight up a lot of things, and in this case it's to let late hops swim freely without anything in the kettle. (I know). And I would myself bring it down to about 59-60 - I pitch there and let it rise. But I get it, thanks.

I won't be gravity feeding (that's what I did previously), but using a pump and watching a horizontal sight glass. Thanks for the ballpark. I don't remember waiting that long, but there's every chance I did and I've just forgotten. Thanks, man.

BTW - any idea why these would be so cheap? No way I could even buy the copper for some of these prices....

 

[eric19312]

OK great, thanks Eric. We're actually pretty close - and this is past, not current or future practice - I only put the IC on after flameout because I'm pretty uptight up a lot of things, and in this case it's to let late hops swim freely without anything in the kettle. (I know). And I would myself bring it down to about 59-60 - I pitch there and let it rise. But I get it, thanks.

I won't be gravity feeding (that's what I did previously), but using a pump and watching a horizontal sight glass. Thanks for the ballpark. I don't remember waiting that long, but there's every chance I did and I've just forgotten. Thanks, man.

BTW - any idea why these would be so cheap? No way I could even buy the copper for some of these prices....

No fittings. Here is the one I bought. It was and still is a great value. There must be a deal somewhere on like 1,000 foot rollsof copper tubing that we just don’t see when pricing out DIY
https://www.nybrewsupply.com/products/1-2-x-50-copper-wort-chiller-with-garden-hose-fittings.

I’m a sucker for advertising though and pretty sure at some point in an overly long summer brew day waiting for that last 10 degrees, I’m gonna pull the trigger on a Jaded Hydra and put this guy out to pasture.

 

[user 246304]

THat's funny - I looked at the next page and I prices are comparable, lol. I wouldn't have thought there'd be that much upcharge for fittings, but then I guess so. I actually have compressions/GH for that youtube build. Though if I DIY it, to be honest, I'll probably silver solder - not really big on compression for liquids.

Thanks on your coil's link. That is indeed a great value. Carted.

Yeah, I keep swirling over his IC's too, Eric. My vessels are 18" wide, 22+" high, so I've been pretending over the Cobra, lol.