Are truly hard alcoholics accepted here, or shunned?

[suprchunk]

+1 for a useless post.

see what I did?

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+1 for useless blatant a-hole behavior.

See what I did?

 

[Weizenwerks]

Addiction is not a disease.

 

[emjay]

Addiction is not a disease.

And this isn't the debate forum.

 

[suprchunk]

Yes, you are correct. This thread should totally be moved.

 

[DregAddict]

Addiction is not a disease.

IMO addiction is absolutely a disease. Substance abuse(including the abuse of alcohol) can be very addictive. It can result in pronounced psychological and physical symptoms.

To be honest, I would not advise anyone with alcoholism to engage in a hobby that involved making alcoholic beverages. That is not to say that I would shun an alcoholic for being a member of this site, and wanting to expand their knowledge of brewing. I don't think my feelings towards the OP's question can be described as either shunning or accepting someone. Alcoholism and other addictions are very complicated issues that manifest themselves differently in individuals. Some people can't control their addiction unless they completely abstain from the substance. For someone like that I would absolutely recommend staying away from a website that advocates homebrewing. Others can control their addiction in a way that allows for moderation. For someone that realized they had a drinking problem, and that the quantity they were drinking could be brought under control, I think HBT could certainly be a good source for them to learn more about creating tasty beverages they can enjoy responsibly.

 

[Scooby_Brew]

I just took a 6 day fermented wine out, and drank it. It was wonderful. Am I nuts?

I'm kind of one of these ---> :rockin:

 

[Beezy]

I think a lot of us go out of our way to dispute the "old wives tales" about brewing.....Let's see, instant autolysis if you don't move your beer right way, hot side aeration, plastic water bottles, aluminum not being usable, and that's just off the top of my head, are just a few of the ones that folks come on all panicky about, that people have worked diligently to disprove.

I think this IS a great place to get both technical information and creative ideas. A lot of stuff that first shows up here, then ends up talked about in podcasts, or the pages of byo magazine.

We have 40,000 brewers contributing to the body of knowledge, some are award winning brewers, some are pro brewers, some are scientists some are creative types.

I learn new stuff on here daily.....

I would say that has been my experience here although there still are wives tales. Any message board requires a skill of sifting through BS. If you are hopelessly naive then god help you but if you can't learn it here where can you go?

Anyway alcoholics? Who am I to judge?

 

[JohnTheBrewist]

+1, can't we move this to the DRMM forum?

 

[slowbie]

IMO addiction is absolutely a disease. Substance abuse(including the abuse of alcohol) can be very addictive. It can result in pronounced psychological and physical symptoms.

To be honest, I would not advise anyone with alcoholism to engage in a hobby that involved making alcoholic beverages. That is not to say that I would shun an alcoholic for being a member of this site, and wanting to expand their knowledge of brewing. I don't think my feelings towards the OP's question can be described as either shunning or accepting someone. Alcoholism and other addictions are very complicated issues that manifest themselves differently in individuals. Some people can't control their addiction unless they completely abstain from the substance. For someone like that I would absolutely recommend staying away from a website that advocates homebrewing. Others can control their addiction in a way that allows for moderation. For someone that realized they had a drinking problem, and that the quantity they were drinking could be brought under control, I think HBT could certainly be a good source for them to learn more about creating tasty beverages they can enjoy responsibly.

I didn't read past your first sentence. To be honest (and *******), I don't give a **** about your opinion on this matter, you're not an expert and have no reason to have earned my respect. If you're going to post it anyways, it belongs in the debate forum. Start a new thread there if you really want to discuss this.

 

[Airborneguy]

I've always treated this forum as being about the beer, not the alcohol in the beer.

 

[erikhild59]

i've always treated this forum as being about the beer, not the alcohol in the beer.

+1000

 

[cmoon]

Funny, when I was at that part of my life I would have considered myself an alcoholic (at least far more reckless with alcohol), brewing seemed like far too much work.

Now that I'm drinking 1-2 glasses a day, I'm more interested in crafting the beer than drinking it.

 

[DregAddict]

I didn't read past your first sentence. To be honest (and *******), I don't give a **** about your opinion on this matter, you're not an expert and have no reason to have earned my respect. If you're going to post it anyways, it belongs in the debate forum. Start a new thread there if you really want to discuss this.

I did stray a little on my post, but the heart of it was about whether alcoholics are accepted or shunned on this forum(the question asked by the OP). If the Mods want to move this thread then that's fine with me. I'm sorry if sharing my opinion upset you, but I don't think I said anything inflammatory, and the tone of your response was unjustified.

 

[Pappers_]

I didn't read past your first sentence. To be honest (and *******), I don't give a **** about your opinion on this matter, you're not an expert and have no reason to have earned my respect. If you're going to post it anyways, it belongs in the debate forum. Start a new thread there if you really want to discuss this.

You're right, your response was *******.

 

[Airborneguy]

I thumbs downed that dicky post. It deserved it.

Dregaddict, were you even talking to that dude?

 

[jrnyenhuis]

Obviously, the decision to allow or not allow anyone who admits they are a true (hard?) alcoholic is not up to anyone here, except the people who specifically have the power to ban certain user names/IP addresses. And unless you put it in your sig (in really big letters), it's unlikely that many people at any one time are going to know if you are or are not. So really, in large part the original question is moot.

That said, alcohol is alcohol, and those addicted to it would be advised to stay away from the hobby IRL, if not online. Is that unfair? If heroin production had the same community spirit... we don't have to go down that road, but simply put: responsibility is responsibility. Your life affects others, etc.

 

[DregAddict]

I thumbs downed that dicky post. It deserved it.

Dregaddict, were you even talking to that dude?

No I wasn't. And thanks for the support. I can understand that people checking out the general forums don't want to see debate, but I don't think I was trying to debate or argue the matter. Whatever, I'm still off topic I guess. Sorry.

 

[makomachine]

Kind of like obese people at culinary school. Maybe a bit awkward, but you still add the butter to the hollandaise sauce....

Prost!

 

[Airborneguy]

Whatever, I'm still off topic I guess. Sorry.

You wrote two lines in response to something that was previously posted, then a whole paragraph that addressed the OP. You did nothing wrong, someone just had a stick (or something larger), up their butt.

 

[Maxkling]

+1 for a useless post.

see what I did?

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[Yuri_Rage]

Reason should be obvious.