Anyone use this stuff? - (Steramine)

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I found a bottle of steramine sanitizing tables at the local GFS marketplace store the other day. Does anyone have experience using this for sanitizing bottles?

Here's a link to the same stuff...http://www.sanitize.com/

Thanks!

-pete-
 
I was wondering that myself. I have a friend who is a brew-newbie like me & he is using that on his first batch, yet I can find no mention of it anywhere for homebrewing purposes. He swears by it, from being in the food service business before. It looks to be an industrial sanitizing agent that is less hazardous, according to the website/MSDS spec. I just wonder why there is no mention of it in the homebrewing circles.
 
It may be that it needs to fully dry to be 'food safe'. Star san can be safely drank at normal dilution and won't impart any off flavors.
 
I know that stuff, it's a bar tenders main washing ingredient, makes the water blue when fully disolved. It is a quaternary ammonium compound, which is a very strong sanitizer. I was told to stay clear of it for brewing, however I have two bottles of tablets I use to wash beer glasses( go figure ..) I am not a chemist so I can't really give you a valid reason why not to use this product ( it's also pretty cheap too ). Maybe someone with a chemistry back round will chime in and explain or better yet, disprove it's discouraged use in the home brewery. It would need to be rinsed with water after sanitizing, which technically is unsanitary :confused:
 
Generally speaking QA is poisonous at too high a dosage. You should be trained on it or at least get the QA Test Papers:

http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/23669/80-QT-10


Surfacine: A New Antimicrobial

Contaminated environmental surfaces have been associated with transmission of certain nosocomial pathogens, principally vancomycin-resistant Enterococcus spp. (VRE), methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), and Clostridium difficile. The incidence of nosocomial infections caused by VRE in particular has dramatically increased in the past decade. Cross-transmission is thought to result from transient hand carriage by hospital personnel, who may potentially be colonized directly from contact with colonized or infected patients or indirectly by contact with a contaminated environmental surface. Cultures of surfaces in rooms of patients colonized or infected with VRE have yielded positive cultures in 7% to 37% of samples. Molecular analysis of VRE strains involved in outbreaks has in some cases demonstrated that isolates obtained from the environment were identical to the outbreak strain (8).

Antibiotic-resistant pathogens such as VRE and MRSA possess similar susceptibility to disinfectants as antibiotic-susceptible strains (9,10). However, commonly used surface disinfectants such as phenols and quaternary ammonium compounds, while effective in eliminating these pathogens, do not have residual activity. Hence, after disinfection, surfaces may rapidly be recontaminated.

Surfacine is a new, persistent antimicrobial agent that may be used on animate or inanimate surfaces. It incorporates a water-insoluble antimicrobial-drug compound (silver iodide) in a surface-immobilized coating (a modified polyhexamethylenebiguanide) that is capable of chemical recognition and interaction with the lipid bilayer of the bacterial outer cell membrane by electrostatic attraction. The intimate microbial contact with the surface results in transfer of the antimicrobial-drug component (silver) directly from the coating to the organism. Microorganisms contacting the coating accumulate silver until the toxicity threshold is exceeded; dead microorganisms eventually lyse and detach from the surface. The amount of silver present and the number of microorganisms in contact with the treated surface determine how long the coating is effective. Preliminary studies show that treated surfaces result in excellent elimination of antibiotic-resistant bacteria (e.g., VRE) inoculated directly on various surfaces at challenge levels of 100 CFU/sq inch for at least 13 days (Table 3) (11). Antimicrobial activity is retained when the surface is subjected to repeated dry wiping or wiping with a quaternary ammonium compound. Data available from the manufacturer demonstrate inactivation of bacteria, yeast, fungi, and viruses when the product is applied at challenge levels of up to 106 CFU/mL. Sustained antimicrobial activity has been shown for the tested microorganisms. Inactivation times for microorganisms vary.





Table 3. Effect on vancomycin-resistant Enterococcus (VRE) survival of wiping Surfacine on a treated surface over an extended period
Surface Intervention Day 1 Day 6 Day 13
Formica Control 50 95 120
Treated 0 (100%)a 0 (100%) 0 (100%)
Treated & Wiped 0 (100%) 0 (100%) 0 (100%)
aPercent reduction of VRE counts per Rodac plate ([treated/control] x 100) (11).






This persistent antimicrobial drug transfers the active biocide (silver) "on demand" directly to the organism without elution of silver ions into solution. The coating, therefore, functions in a chemically intelligent way, i.e., antimicrobial response is triggered only upon microbial contact. The mechanism of silver release differs from that of conventional, topically applied silver compounds (e.g., silver nitrate and silver sulfadiazine), which work by generating a bactericidal level of silver ions. (The ions are released into aqueous solution either by silver oxide or dissolution of the silver salt.)

This new antimicrobial drug can be applied to animate and inanimate surfaces by dipping, brushing, or spraying without prior surface treatment. The coating does not undergo photoreduction, degradation, or color change when exposed to intense UV irradiation (4 mW/cm2 for 2 hr). This new antimicrobial has excellent adhesion to virtually all substrates, is optically clear, and does not delaminate, flake, or crack. Treated surfaces subjected to a wipe test retained their antimicrobial efficacy (Table 3) (11). Permanently treated surfaces remained chemically inert and retained their biocidal activity after exposure to various physical and chemical stresses such as temperature (tested from -20°C to 130°C), solvents (alcohol), solutions with a pH of 4 to 10, solutions of high ionic strength, and sterilization by conventional methods (e.g., steam, ethylene oxide, gamma-irradiation). The coating contains low levels of silver iodide (approx. 10 g/cm2 of coated surface), and coated surfaces are resistant to biofilm formation. Surfacine does not cause mammalian cell toxicity and passes the acute systemic toxicity tests recommended by the U.S. Pharmacopeia (SP Sawan and S Subramanyam, pers. commun., 2000).

If novel surface treatments such as this product prove to be effective in significantly reducing microbial contamination, are cost-effective, and have long-term residual activity, they may be extremely useful in limiting transmission of nosocomial pathogens. The antimicrobial activity of this coating makes it potentially suitable for a wide range of applications, including disinfection of surfaces, microporous filters, and medical devices and use as a topical ointment or hand antiseptic.
 
Quats are good for sanitizing but I do not bother with them. The ammonium chlorine complex works great for killing all kinds of things.

If I were to use this it would be for long term storage and i would give it a hefty rinse before re sanitizing with StarSan or iodophore.
 
Quat(Quaternary Ammonium) is a great all purpose sanitizer, the only problem is its terrible on beer glasses. Quat will leave a coating behind or a film that prevents the glass from having a proper lacing effect. Steramine is a quat based product.

This will also kill the beer head quite fast and make it dissipate. I would recommend the Iodophor for sanitizing. I personally use B-T-F Iodophor, but Starsan is also a good product.

Products similar to steramine if you read are "general" or "all purpose sanitizers". Due to the fact that they are cheap people tend to use them without understanding the issues it may cause on the beer collar.
 

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