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CodyRonan

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So.... went to the Drs for one thing, sent off in an ambulance to hospital with AFib, where I stayed for 10 days, got the reboot. On a massive health kick, as you can imagine. Not great. Some other problems found on the way too.

Question for fellow homebrewers is, for those of you who had an AFib episode, where does alcohol, and homebrewing, fit into your life now? What has been the effect, heart wise?
 
So.... went to the Drs for one thing, sent off in an ambulance to hospital with AFib, where I stayed for 10 days, got the reboot. On a massive health kick, as you can imagine. Not great. Some other problems found on the way too.

Question for fellow homebrewers is, for those of you who had an AFib episode, where does alcohol, and homebrewing, fit into your life now? What has been the effect, heart wise?
Sorry to hear your diagnosis. Lost my dad last summer (92, he had afib and bronchiectasis). His doctor said "they could treat one OR the other, but with both, it wasn't going to get any better", and after 2+ years of feeling like crap, with constant difficulty breathing and very low energy, he chose palliative care. Never heard any blame put on alcohol, but he was never a heavy drinker.
 
There's a number of suggested possible triggers for afib. Work on eating better, reducing caffeine, quit smoking if you do, lose weight, get plenty of sleep, and reduce stress. Sometimes it is hereditary or just a poor conductive configuration in your heart. I never had any one factor seem to trigger it other than hereditary. Let's face it, if it was alcohol, it would have happened identifiably. I had multiple bouts. Try controlling with meds but if not possible, such as continued need for cardioversion, consider an ablation. They are extremely effective with a good doctor, although sometimes a second or third attempt is required. I needed 2 but have been fine for over a decade.

I'm also not saying you shouldn't reduce your drinking if it's a problem.
 
Condolences for your dad. Hopefully, at 50, my prognosis is better.
Yes, you've got much better treatment options compared to a 90+ year old. Had my own health scare about 9 months ago, when I was informed that I was pre-diabetic ("one more tick and it's actual diabetes"), obese, and high blood pressure. Once I finally started taking my health seriously, I've dropped 53 lbs of weight, blood A1C is normal, and I'm feeling better than I have in many years (I'm 58). I'm definitely drinking LESS, but still probably more than I should.

Good luck! I hope you stick around and provide updates on what your doctor recommends!
 
fwiw, my mom had cardiac ablation done when she was around 85, took two blasts but she's been right since and she turned 100 last December. She isn't much of a drinker though. And my BIL had it done around 10 years ago when he was 58, one zap and done for him. He's probably an "average" drinker. Both are just peachy fine these days 🍑

Cheers!
 
There's a number of suggested possible triggers for afib. Work on eating better, reducing caffeine, quit smoking if you do, lose weight, get plenty of sleep, and reduce stress. Sometimes it is hereditary or just a poor conductive configuration in your heart. I never had any one factor seem to trigger it other than hereditary. Let's face it, if it was alcohol, it would have happened identifiably. I had multiple bouts. Try controlling with meds but if not possible, such as continued need for cardioversion, consider an ablation. They are extremely effective with a good doctor, although sometimes a second or third attempt is required. I needed 2 but have been fine for over a decade.

I'm also not saying you shouldn't reduce your drinking if it's a problem.
Thanks. So it sounds like you have continued brewing and drinking? Will go through your comments.

"There's a number of suggested possible triggers for afib." - true but alcohol seems to be one of the big ones they go on about. Posts in the AFib forum on reditt seem to be full of people who had to give it away to avoid recurrence.

"Work on eating better, reducing caffeine, quit smoking if you do, lose weight, get plenty of sleep, and reduce stress." - Yes trying to do all of these. (Not a smoker).

"Sometimes it is hereditary or just a poor conductive configuration in your heart." - Yep, Mum has it. But even if it is hereditary, alcohol can trigger it as I understand it.

"Let's face it, if it was alcohol, it would have happened identifiably. " - I'm not sure what you mean exactly. My AF bout occurred after a big weekend, and a buttock infection.

"Try controlling with meds but if not possible, such as continued need for cardioversion, consider an ablation." - Noted. On meds.

"have been fine for over a decade." - That's great. Apart from the health efforts then, you live as normal with the booze/brewing?

I appreciate you sharing.
 
Yes, you've got much better treatment options compared to a 90+ year old. Had my own health scare about 9 months ago, when I was informed that I was pre-diabetic ("one more tick and it's actual diabetes"), obese, and high blood pressure. Once I finally started taking my health seriously, I've dropped 53 lbs of weight, blood A1C is normal, and I'm feeling better than I have in many years (I'm 58). I'm definitely drinking LESS, but still probably more than I should.

Good luck! I hope you stick around and provide updates on what your doctor recommends!
That's incredible weight loss. Congrats.
 
Well, I'm doomed if heredity, stress, alcohol, and caffeine are contributing factors.
fwiw, my mom had cardiac ablation done when she was around 85, took two blasts but she's been right since and she turned 100 last December. She isn't much of a drinker though. And my BIL had it done around 10 years ago when he was 58, one zap and done for him. He's probably an "average" drinker. Both are just peachy fine these days 🍑

Cheers!
Thanks for that - it's positive. Was the zap an ablation (scarring) or cardioversion (reboot) for the BIL?
 
Thanks. So it sounds like you have continued brewing and drinking? Will go through your comments.

"There's a number of suggested possible triggers for afib." - true but alcohol seems to be one of the big ones they go on about. Posts in the AFib forum on reditt seem to be full of people who had to give it away to avoid recurrence.

"Work on eating better, reducing caffeine, quit smoking if you do, lose weight, get plenty of sleep, and reduce stress." - Yes trying to do all of these. (Not a smoker).

"Sometimes it is hereditary or just a poor conductive configuration in your heart." - Yep, Mum has it. But even if it is hereditary, alcohol can trigger it as I understand it.

"Let's face it, if it was alcohol, it would have happened identifiably. " - I'm not sure what you mean exactly. My AF bout occurred after a big weekend, and a buttock infection.

"Try controlling with meds but if not possible, such as continued need for cardioversion, consider an ablation." - Noted. On meds.

"have been fine for over a decade." - That's great. Apart from the health efforts then, you live as normal with the booze/brewing?

I appreciate you sharing.
Yes, I continued drinking. I was on an extended hiatus from brewing but restarted brewing about 6-7 years ago. I don't drink daily but have several weekly and do occasionally binge drink with friends (irregular periodicity).

I was in my mid-late thirties when first afib occurred. I binge drank a bit more (not weekly). No afib event ever occurred anywhere close to a drinking episode. I ate well, maintained my weight, exercised, smoked perhaps a pack of cigarettes a year, some funny cigarettes occasionally, held caffeine to about 60mg daily. Other than stress and hereditary no factor seemed indicative to triggering an episode, they were all different.

I have hypertension now (controlled well), don't get as much sleep as I need, more stress, and exercise less than I would like (joint problems) drink a little less frequently, don't smoke tobacco for about as long as the last ablation which was practically none at all. Second ablation got it.

All those factors they suggest are each generally small percentages in the research studies I read. No real leaders on any. The internet is not a representative sample. Read some either good research summaries from reputable health sources or the studies themselves. I recognize that is not everyone's capability as far as the actual research. Perhaps for some there are common triggers. Not me and if it was alcohol there was enough opportunity for it to trigger it. My mom has it and early for her, not like me though. A little later and worse outcome. She needs a pacemaker, but I think she has worn through four of them. Hers progressed to sick sinous syndrome so they had to ablate a node itself.

After your 70's or so, afib becomes more common yearly. It's an increasing risk and somewhat common in older people. Around 25% I think 70+ population. That's why afib commercials are somewhat common here in the US.

Afib is a misfiring electrical surge causing the chamber to fire out of sync. They know what regions of heart tissue it occurs in typically but the whys of it are kind of weakly correlated. I haven't read a lot lately though, but I read a lot when I did. I'm not a medical doctor to be clear. If you can find a good electrocardiologist, that's helpful.

It can be scary, especially the first time. OMG is this a heart attack?! Glad to hear you converted.
 
It can be scary, especially the first time. OMG is this a heart attack?! Glad to hear you converted.
Thank you for the information. It has been. It certainly was in hospital. I think in time I'll try some alcohol. But for the moment I'll use the shock and apprehension to help me on my way with my health kick.
 
@CodyRonan, this thread has good material, but imho you should get medical advice from medical folk. True, they're inclined to recommend abstinence, and you must make your own decision.

Just because my dad had two ablations and a watchman implant after multiple ER visits due to AFib, doesn't mean you should. (His wife, a former ER nurse, helped reduce his already tiny alcohol intake.)

Best of luck with your health challenges, Cody.
 
@CodyRonan, this thread has good material, but imho you should get medical advice from medical folk. True, they're inclined to recommend abstinence, and you must make your own decision.

Just because my dad had two ablations and a watchman implant after multiple ER visits due to AFib, doesn't mean you should. (His wife, a former ER nurse, helped reduce his already tiny alcohol intake.)

Best of luck with your health challenges, Cody.
Thanks. Yes that's the vibe, although different doctors say slightly different things. It's helpful to listen to others about how it was for them (and to hear about your Dad). I guess when it happens to you you hope it's a one off type situation, and that it will be fine, and you can go back to having the odd drink. Time will tell.
 
Zap is cardioversion. They stop and restart your heart.

Ablation goes through the groin and they map out electrical conduction across the heart. Your heart builds a charge across regions and fires through nodes to contract. Sometimes the charging regions are out of sync. So they burn or freeze the misfiring areas-ablation. Takes hours on the table because they have to map and treat. Super high tech operating room. Lots of big screen monitors and multiple nurses. Danger in the chance of esophageal damage which can be fatal. It's about 1 in 1000 or so. Probably improved chances since my procedure.

It's nerve-wracking living wiith at first but it won't kill you directly/immediately.The atria misfire. There's a small risk of clotting because of pooling so be mindful of taking the blood thinners as stroke can occur.
 
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