8 beers you should stop drinking immediately

[beernbourbon]

"Hopping" a beer in Budweiser land is a term meaning something other than adding real Hops.

I would like to see some defendable facts and sources with regard to that one......?

 

[fuzzy2133]

If you brew you should know better..... you're falling for that Craft beer is holier that BMC bull****, that's just as bad.

BMC is no more or less "natural" then craft brewing, or homebrewing.

Have you ever made hop tea? Have you ever steeped some hops in 130 degree water and run them through a french press and added that to your beer at bottling time? Or soaked them in vodka? That's the extraction process...It's still extracting the hop oils FROM REAL HOPS.

There many craft brewers, and a few homebrewers on this very site who have used hop extracts.

I guess you also boycott Lagunitus then...they use hop extracts in their CRAFT BEERS. As also does Russian River in Eldar the younger.

I've been working with nitrogen cavitation for hop extraction myself.

I had a brew that needed another hop addition and wish I would have know about making an extract at kegging time. Probably would have been the better choice than dry hopping.

 

[bob1852]

I wish the foodbabe would die in a fire. Specifically, a GMO, free range, cage free, totalitarian free, shade free, conflict free, equal wage for all, organic, fire.

 

[Revvy]

Here's the info on the hop extraction process from BSG CRAFTbrewing.

The CO2 extraction process offers complete extraction of virtually all of the essential bittering and aroma components in fresh hops, leaving behind only the leafy plant material. These easy to use canned extracts include practically everything a brewer would want from a hop, without adding spent hops to the trub pile.

They are 100% Natural with no chemical modifications.

The benefits of BSG Hop Extracts include:

Varietal character preserved
Consistent bittering
Increased hop utilization
Money saving
Increased kettle yield
Space saving

 

[Revvy]

I had a brew that needed another hop addition and wish I would have know about making an extract at kegging time. Probably would have been the better choice than dry hopping.

I was interviewed 2 weeks ago for an upcoming Brew Bubba's Radio podcast, and the and the studio audience of homebrewers and mead makers have convinced me to write up an article for BYO magazine on the topic. Once I get my article done, I'll go into detail about it on a thread.

 

[Revvy]

I wish the foodbabe would die in a fire. Specifically, a GMO, free range, cage free, totalitarian free, shade free, conflict free, equal wage for all, organic, fire.

So to be an organic fire, would that mean it could only be started by lighting?

 

[boydster]

Or freeze it and place the suspended DHMO into a highly alcoholic solution....I prefer bourbon for that myself.

This highlights part of the problem that isn't being discussed, though. There is SO MUCH of the DHMO that has been sequestered for millennia in Earth's polar regions. The oceans are already contaminated to the point of vulgarity with this awful substance. Think about the dolphins that are now hopelessly dependent on DHMO. If they are further affected to the point of dying off from contaminated glacial run-off, I won't be able to enjoy my tuna fish sandwiches in the same way anymore.

 

[Paradigm]

I read this and dismissed it as pretentious local / organic blathering. I'm totally happy to go local and natural when I can, but the article is just preying on the un-knowledgeable to push a mindset. Using scary buzzwords like "corn syrup" and "GMO." Fish Bladder and Insects are gross! How dare they try to trick me! Sensationalist at best.

There could be some truth in wanting to avoid some of this stuff, but I've been seeing this all around Facebook being shared by people who I know are completely spoon-fed the fear. If they want to make an actual discussion they should change their diction.

Not worth my time.

 

[bob1852]

So to be an organic fire, would that mean it could only be started by lighting?

No. Ligtning fire = climate change = increased C02 = GMO crops

 

[fearwig]

My concern for GMO has less to do with human consumption, and more of a concern for non-modified plants that are usually categorized as "heirloom" because they are grown less due to their genetic "inferiority" or lack of appeal. These "super plants" are often times more drought tolerant, have thicker cell walls to resist insects, mold, diseases, etc. They are designed to sell in supermarkets because of their color, and last long distances without bruising. There are non-GM plants that are selected for these qualities as well, and the culmination of both forces tends to push out the "inferior" plants. In VA we have a number of farms and nurseries that are keeping these heirloom plants in production so that people can enjoy their unique flavors and colors.

Additionally, many GMO seeds are patented. They can cross-polinate nearby farms and ruin their crops by causing them to seed these new GM plants. Larger farm companies and GMO producers will even sue for crops. For example:

Monsanto vs Farmer
"It does not matter how a farmer, a forester, or a gardener’s seed or plants become contaminated with GMOs; whether through cross pollination, pollen blowing in the wind, by bees, direct seed movement or seed transportation, the growers no longer own their seeds or plants under patent law, they becomes Monsanto’s property"

Great points. It's not an agriculture book exactly but James C. Scott's Seeing Like a State had a section on monoculture disasters and how each came about that was really awesome. It sounds boring but I swear it's not. For history/sociology, anyway.

Keeping heirloom/landrace varieties alive is in the interest of anyone who thinks "long-term human survival" isn't just some kind of crazy-ass science fiction phrase. Scientists agree, you need to keep "backups". The best way is to grow them. And sometimes they taste really good. And genetic copyright should piss off everyone who isn't getting paid by it, people from all kinds of political persuasions ought to be opposed to that.

 

[hlm123]

I stopped drinking those beers years ago

 

[boydster]

The dangers in the conversation about GMOs are the blanket statements made by both sides. Anyone taking the stance that either "All GMOs are perfectly safe so shut up with your complaining and deal with it" or "GMOs are going to be the end of the world and everyone should rise up together to stomp them out of existence" is creating conflict in an issue that shouldn't be nearly as divisive as it has become. With any new technology, the science behind engineering GMOs needs time and opportunity to mature. That doesn't happen in a vacuum. It happens on farms and fields, just as much as it happens in the lab. People that expect all things GMO to be perfected as soon as the first seed is planted in the ground are being unrealistic. However, those expecting their patented seeds to stay in the field where they were planted for testing and not spread or be cross-bred with neighboring plants in nearby fields are being equally as unrealistic.

The issue needs to be approached carefully, systematically, and thoroughly FOR EACH genetic modification before we declare a single, particular genetic modification appropriate for consumption and release into the environment. Blanket approval/denial of all GMOs is just ridiculous.

 

[dfc]

I just came here to post this...

 

[UglyDude]

Pre-Disclaimer ... Im not taking sides, just making an observation ...

Regarding GMOs: arent most of the people not believing scientists when they say GMOs are safe the same people that say global warming is real because science tells us its real?

and whats wrong with fish bladder? its organic! all natural etc. thats like saying dont eat meat because it has a cut I dont approve of.

also, what separate Bud, Bud Light... and really coors and miller ???? c'mon, they are all so similar ...

 

[fearwig]

Pre-Disclaimer ... Im not taking sides, just making an observation ...

Regarding GMOs: arent most of the people not believing scientists when they say GMOs are safe the same people that say global warming is real because science tells us its real?

Short answer, yes, if you're arguing with an imaginary hippy.

 

[JohnnyBrewGood]

That article on that site about beer is total crap,
but the one about an alien take over, that one was true. %100

 

[Mad4sax]

"8 beers you should stop drinking immediately."

I am safe. I don't drink any of them anyways!

 

[Roondy888]

The real concern here is that all of the beers listed contain DHMO. I am taken aback that this reputable news site would not even list it!

"Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol." ~DHMrg

"What are some uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide?"~DHMrg
"in the production of beer by all the major beer distributors"~DHMrg

I don' t know how credible that website is considering they are trying to blame school shootings on DHMO

" What is the link between Dihydrogen Monoxide and school violence?
A recent stunning revelation is that in every single instance of violence in our country's schools, including infamous shootings in high schools in Denver and Arkansas, Dihydrogen Monoxide was involved. In fact, DHMO is often very available to students of all ages within the assumed safe confines of school buildings. None of the school administrators with which we spoke could say for certain how much of the substance is in use within their very hallways. "

Im sure they stuff is dangerous but come on, correlation doesn't imply causation.

 

[JPrather]

Everything on this list is being wrongfully targeted. It's just another article saying anything with GMOs is poison without providing any form of scientific evidence. Reminds me of the foodbabe article:
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/alarmist-article-bmc-no-listed-evidence-but-possible-interesting-points-421992/
probably because it is listed as a source
A great response from brewers about that article seems to apply to most points in this one as well:
http://maureenogle.com/maureen-ogle/2013/08/18/whats-in-your-beer-or-the-dangers-of-dumbassery

Yeah, pretty much this. You can end the thread after this post ^^^

 

[Setesh]

But foodbabe.com is a reference. How can I not take it seriously?

 

[Zamial]

As for "Natural" and "Organic", cow and horse urine is both of those.

As for GMOs I think there is a HUGE difference in what all gets lumped into that category. IMHO there is a HUGE difference from cross breeding/selective breeding programs vs. Genetic manipulation of things that probably would never occur naturally.

My opinion on how this all translates to my beer is if the yeast can ferment it and it tastes good I will drink it. If I am looking at commercial beer purchases, I only by craft beer from non-macro owned/partially owned companies and if it is GMO, pesticide ridden, organic/natural I apply the same logic to those beers, if the yeast can ferment it, I will drink it.

 

[jiMithing83]

You misspelled genetically...

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No offense meant, but -1000. That is not "genetic modification". Growers know this. Breeders know this. Agricultural scientists definitely know this.





If you're a "But THAT'S Wikipedia!" person, we can find a more impressive source (not to be derisive, but this is in HS textbooks). Suffice it to say that is not from an anti-GMO or pro-GMO website.

But now that you mention it I do think we should "genetically modify" certain antivaxers.

I understand there is a difference in method, control, and timeframe, but youre kidding yourself if you think cross breeding and selective breeding dont alter plant genetics. Less risk of mutant zombie sunflowers maybe, but altered genes happen in both cases.

 

[user 171019]

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I understand there is a difference in method, control, and timeframe, but youre kidding yourself if you think cross breeding and selective breeding dont alter plant genetics. Less risk of mutant zombie sunflowers maybe, but altered genes happen in both cases.

Man, just drink your beer and relax. You're not drinking for health reasons anyway.

 

[dfc]

I don' t know how credible that website is considering they are trying to blame school shootings on DHMO

" What is the link between Dihydrogen Monoxide and school violence?
A recent stunning revelation is that in every single instance of violence in our country's schools, including infamous shootings in high schools in Denver and Arkansas, Dihydrogen Monoxide was involved. In fact, DHMO is often very available to students of all ages within the assumed safe confines of school buildings. None of the school administrators with which we spoke could say for certain how much of the substance is in use within their very hallways. "

Im sure they stuff is dangerous but come on, correlation doesn't imply causation.

You know Dihydrogen Monoxide is H2O, right?

 

[sandyeggoxj]

You know Dihydrogen Monoxide is H2O, right?

Yesss! Someone clarified!

 

[boydster]

You know Dihydrogen Monoxide is H2O, right?

You're just going to fold? Just like that? Jeez....

 

[brewSTI]

I agree that everyone should stop drinking MOST of the beers listed in that article......But not for any of the reasons that the author listed.

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[Riot]

I really like the "if yeast can ferment it, it is drinkable" argument. Isn't that pretty much how Europe survived the water is often poisonous era?

 

[youngdh]

I can't see where genetically modified grains would have any impact on the health affects of beer. My understanding of GMO for grains is to increase crop yields by making them more drought and insect resistant. It doesn't alter the amylopectins that alpha and beta amylase enzymes munch on during mashing to extract the maltose that is fermented or the dextrines (non fermentables) that give beer it's "mouth feel"


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[WileECoyote]

What a crock of sheet, when did corn syrup=sugar, natural flavors, and caramel color become bad ?

Are the calling the coloring in caramel malt the caramel coloring lol

Natural flavors are in every food we eat, should we all stop eating too?

Propylene Glycol is how they are preserving yeast when they freeze it, and it gets washed out before use.

Cheers