3 FLoyds Zombie Dust attempt. Help/info requested

[skeezerpleezer]

Pale Malt wont make a big difference; you will be fine. The OG difference is probably due to efficiency. What do you have your default set as?

I usually let it primary for around 14 days, rack to a keg or secondary, and then dryhop. I have drank it as young as about 3 weeks and it was good, but it gets really good a couple weeks later.

 

[doublehaul]

Pale Malt wont make a big difference; you will be fine. The OG difference is probably due to efficiency. What do you have your default set as?

I usually let it primary for around 14 days, rack to a keg or secondary, and then dryhop. I have drank it as young as about 3 weeks and it was good, but it gets really good a couple weeks later.

Sweet. Sorry - 70% efficiency; I thought that is what you had too.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

I think mine was based on 75%.

 

[MJMARSHA]

Brewed the AG recipe from page 1 with S-04 fermented at 64deg F. Holy crap! Awesome stuff! Definitely on my list of beers to NEVER run out of.

 

[headbanger]

I've brewed this a few times now and absolutely love it, even changed out the hops a few times the latest being zythos and it's delicious. The only difference I can detect between the real thing and this recipe with citra hops is SRM.. Mine always turns out quite a bit darker than FFF-ZD. Has anyone else noticed this or had similar results? Either way, thanks a ton for the great recipe.

 

[PJM]

So is the consensus that Wyeast 1968 is the yeast to use? Want to try this over the weekend. Thanks

 

[Kobainisalive]

So is the consensus that Wyeast 1968 is the yeast to use? Want to try this over the weekend. Thanks

That's what I use when I brew this one.

 

[MJMARSHA]

So is the consensus that Wyeast 1968 is the yeast to use? Want to try this over the weekend. Thanks

I used S04 at 64 DegF and it turned out great. It works fast and clears out very nicely, in my case no need for a secondary. I really didn't notice much imparted taste and if there was any it worked very nicely. I'll be using S04 again. Whatever you do make sure you can control your ferm temp.

 

[doublehaul]

That's what I use when I brew this one.

do you use a starter? i would think that would get it below the suggested final gravity

 

[Kobainisalive]

do you use a starter? i would think that would get it below the suggested final gravity

Yeah, I always use starters. No problems hitting my numbers.

 

[forcabrew]

Just tasted this after 10 days. My recipe was modified a bit but my of was 1.072 and my fg hit 1.018 with us05. The sample was great and I threw my dry hops right in the primary. Can't wait to drink it

 

[PLAYERSONLY]

Pale Malt wont make a big difference; you will be fine. The OG difference is probably due to efficiency. What do you have your default set as?

I usually let it primary for around 14 days, rack to a keg or secondary, and then dryhop. I have drank it as young as about 3 weeks and it was good, but it gets really good a couple weeks later.

Skeezer.... just wondering why so long on primary? I've made this 4 times now. 1st all grain attempt is in the fermenter right now since last Sunday. My previous batches have been done in primary in 4-6 days. Using 2 pkgs of S-04. I haven't had the chance to pull a gravity reading on this batch yet but I will tonight and my guess is come Sunday I'll get the same reading.

1st batch was the best but all 3 have been good enough that it doesn't last too long around my house.
Thanks for the great recipe.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Mostly due to laziness and to let more of the yeast to drop out prior to dryhopping. Primary fermentation is usually done by 5 days or so though.

 

[redshift76]

How the heck did you get 65 IBUs for this 6 gallon one? When I enter it into beersmith, it says 108 IBUs. For example .75 oz 12.4% = 26.9 IBUs when i enter it (20 mins). Also 1.25 oz 12.4% @ 15 min = 36.7 IBUs

The recipe does not look to have the boil time factored into the FWH:
- 0.75 oz Citra [12.40%] (First Wort Hop) Hops 17.0 IBU***

I get 82 IBU (total) in BeerSmith when I enter .75 Citra FWH 60 min & keep all other hops additions the same.

From Brad Smith (BeerSmith author):

Brad Smith April 10, 2012 at 3:20 pm
For a first wort hop the correct time to enter is the boil time (60 minutes for a 60 minute boil).

I'm going with .75 Citra FWH w/ 60 min boil because that's what Skeezer & others worked out as the best hop combo regardless of what the IBUs end up at.

Thanks everyone for your work on this, going to brew it this weekend - excited

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Yeah, the actual ibus and "perceived" ibus are different. It seems most people agree that FWH gives a "smoother" bitterness, so the calculating as 20 instead of 60 is to reflect that. It definitely doesn't taste like an 82 IBU beer.

 

[bobbrews]

I got 115 calculated IBUs for a low OG IIPA with lots of late additions, and very little early additions. The real IBUs were probably only about 55-65.

The reverse can also be true. The Can You Brew It podcast for high OG "Dankness IIPA" measures only at about 45 IBUs when you plug it into brew software, but it's probably much higher than that with all of the late additions.

Flameout additions can add some IBUs, which can be more substantial if you flameout with 3-4 oz. obviously as opposed to the typical 0-2 oz.

 

[Face Eater]

I just tapped my attempt at this brew last night. It's awesome! Can't wait to do a side by side with the real thing. My version is definitely a tad more bitter than zombie dust. Color looks great, nice aroma, and I'm guessing it's real close. Will update after I do the side by side with the real deal.

 

[jmich24]

Can anyone tell me the water profile used for this recipe?

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Can anyone tell me the water profile used for this recipe?

I started in the NW Chicago burbs without treating at all. Now i am in North Atlanta (used a tsp of gypsum on the last batch). I don't have the #s handy though

 

[raney]

Hey thanks for the recipe it looks great I love Zombie Dust..I did an extract version 2 weeks ago that's going into bottles tomorrow. I recently started going all grain last week, and plan to do a ag version of this Thursday to compare.

I am using iBrewmaster, and every time I plug the numbers in I can't get the same OG. I always come up to around 1.055 for all grain, and I think it was around the same for extract. Is the OG right for a 6 gallon batch in the recipe posted? It could just be due to the different programs, but so far I hit my extract version OG right on target, and the first AG brew I did last week was right on target too.

Am I putting something in wrong to get these numbers? I just wanted to check as I am going to get the ingredients tomorrow..should I add more 2-row to get to that target OG, or follow the recipe and have a lighter beer? Sorry if this is hard to read..it's 2:00 am and I am typing this out on my cell phone. Thanks for the help

edit: so I ran the numbers again and realized I was set to 70% efficiency...is your recipe assuming 80% efficiency? I added 2lbs of 2-row at 70% and hit the numbers right on, does this sound right? Sorry for the newb question I just started AG this last week. can't wait until this is ready!

 

[MW66]

I just transferred my primary (16 days) into my keg last night and put in three tea balls filled with 3 ounces of Citra in total for dry hopping. My F.G. was 1.020 and my O.G. was 1.067, so it appears that I hit the target values pretty well. My calculated IBUs are at 68 and I mashed at 154F for 60 minutes. Also, I used Safale US-04, rehydrated with sterile water. I tasted the hydrometer sample from the end of primary and it was very good (Citra bomb). My only variation was that I eliminated the 1/2 lb of melanioden malt and substituted and extra 1/2 lb of Munich malt. I'm really looking forward to this one and plan to enter it in a contest on September 15th.

 

[Sippin37]

I just transferred my primary (16 days) into my keg last night and put in three tea balls filled with 3 ounces of Citra in total for dry hopping. My F.G. was 1.020 and my O.G. was 1.067, so it appears that I hit the target values pretty well. My calculated IBUs are at 68 and I mashed at 154F for 60 minutes. Also, I used Safale US-04, rehydrated with sterile water. I tasted the hydrometer sample from the end of primary and it was very good (Citra bomb). My only variation was that I eliminated the 1/2 lb of melanioden malt and substituted and extra 1/2 lb of Munich malt. I'm really looking forward to this one and plan to enter it in a contest on September 15th.

Question on the tea balls filled with hops. How long do you leave those in the keg? If it is going to take me a month to finish the keg, is it okay to leave them in there that entire time?

 

[MW66]

I'm leaving it in the keg for 10 days maximum, then placing it in my keezer to carbonate.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

If it is cold the whole time a month is probably ok. I haven't had any issues with keg hopping, but they don't usually last over a month.

 

[dabull25]

can anyone tell me what a first wort hop is? Do I put in 1.75 ounces at 60 minutes? Im a bit confused! Thanks

 

[Face Eater]

can anyone tell me what a first wort hop is? Do I put in 1.75 ounces at 60 minutes? Im a bit confused! Thanks

First wort hopping is when you put the hops in (the boil kettle) when you start your runoff usually from fly sparging. This way the hops are sitting in the wort pre boil for the 45 to 60 minutes. This is supposed to increase ibu's but they are perceived as smoother (some say closer to a 20 minute addition). I say it is more bitter but not like a 20 minute addition, kind of hard to explain. Usually replaces a 60 minute or 20 minute addition for some.

 

[SpoonBrew]

I noticed that the clone recipes listed here are all single hopped Citra. For the record, Zombie Dust is NOT 100% Citra. This is from the horses mouth too-- "It's "mostly" Citra".

And with Citra not being a bittering hop, this makes sense. I was not told what other hops were involved, no surprise there, but if I were to take a stab, my guess is it's bittered with Summit or Warrior. Just food for thought really. An all Citra hop beer can indeed be done. I'm simply referring to Zombie Dust specifically.

For credibility, my source is 3F brewer and personal friend, Andrew Mason-- and I'm the brewer for The Livery in Benton Harbor, MI.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

I noticed that the clone recipes listed here are all single hopped Citra. For the record, Zombie Dust is NOT 100% Citra. This is from the horses mouth too-- "It's "mostly" Citra".

And with Citra not being a bittering hop, this makes sense. I was not told what other hops were involved, no surprise there, but if I were to take a stab, my guess is it's bittered with Summit or Warrior. Just food for thought really. An all Citra hop beer can indeed be done. I'm simply referring to Zombie Dust specifically.

For credibility, my source is 3F brewer and personal friend, Andrew Mason-- and I'm the brewer for The Livery in Benton Harbor, MI.

It used to be when it first came out (and before it was called Zombie Dust also). It has been noted several times in this thread that they changed, and their website no longer advertises it being all citra. Assumption is it was changed due to the citra availability, because it was better when it was all citra.

 

[SpoonBrew]

It used to be when it first came out (and before it was called Zombie Dust also). It has been noted several times in this thread that they changed, and their website no longer advertises it being all citra. Assumption is it was changed due to the citra availability, because it was better when it was all citra.

Right. Cenotaph was indeed a single hopped Citra pale. But we are talking about Zombie Dust correct? So in that case, it's not all Citra-- that is the point. Zombie Dust is also a more refined recipe by comparison really.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

When it was re-labeled as Zombie Dust it was advertised as a single hop, all Citra. They stated that directly on their website. They have changed it this year, but you can see the description on BA and ratebeer for FFFs old description.