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20 gallon mash tun for 5-10g batches, am I crazy?

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bigdawg86

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Long story short I got in on the Grounded Brewing Technologies 15g kettle liquidation and bought 2 kettles. I have for a while been wanting to get into a 3 vessel system and this may be my way of doing it... I currently do 5-6g all grain batches with the rare 10g, but am open to doing 10g more often for "proven" beers. I may have an opportunity to purchase a one off 20g non-insulated mash tun for about what you would spend on a 20g SSBrewtech or 15g Stout Tanks tun, but don't know if having that much room would be a problem. I would plan on recirculating with my 120v brewhardware.com RIMS setup to maintain temps. Is there any (or multiple) reasons that this would be a bad idea? I appreciate any and all input.

Currently I either BIAB or do a ghetto setup where I use my kettle as HLT and BK, then mash in cooler running off into buckets until BK is free. Both use RIMS.

Oh and I generally have my go-to beers 1.070 give or take
 
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I would think you could easily do a 6G batch in 20G mash tun... Full volume BIAB for a 13-15 lb grain bill will be near the 10G mark... which is half full.... seems like it would be OK.
 
I know it would be a terrible idea without RIMS or HERMS but for what it's worth I like the idea of potential flexibility given I will likely have a e-hlt, rims mash, and direct fire kettle.
 
Early in my homebrewing I was convinced to buy a ten gallon cooler for a mash because I was told I would definitely want to make bigger batches over time. (That proved not to be the case.) I have used that cooler for a lot of five gallon batches but all the way down to two gallon batches. I lose heat a little quicker than I would like but after ten years of brewing it hasn't been enough of a problem to buy different equipment.

I wouldn't feel comfortable mashing a smaller volume in a larger mash tun if it was not insulated but I also do not have a recirculating system. With a recirculating system you should not have a problem unless you are unable to evenly heat the entire mash with it spread out at a shallow depth.
 
I just had the internal struggle you’re dealing with now. I was tired of stuck sparges due to the way my false bottom sat in the bottom of my 10 gallon cooler mash tun. However, I felt if I was buying new I should go with a little more volume (especially after my wife got me a 30 gallon brew pot so I could do bigger batches of the stuff that seems to run out quick- she feeds the addiction) but I didn’t want to limit myself to only larger (>5 gal) batches. I was stuck between the two sizes of SSbrewtech MLTs, or making my own MLT with a 15 gallon kettle.

Before deciding I did a bunch of research on here and on other places. A lot what I was looking at was the effects of a short grain bed in a wide MLT (as in a low OG 5 gallon batch in the 20 gallon MLT). I finally decided most of those effects, for various reasons, would likely be small due to the design of the MLT and the rest of my HERMS setup. But I figured I’d give you some of my thought process and why in the end I decided to get the bigger MLT. Granted, I’ve only used the new MLT one time so far, for a 10 gallon batch of ~6% stout, so take my discussion for what it’s worth.

1. As pointed out already, the biggest downside will be the heat loss due to additional head space. For me, I have a HERMS system, so that helps a lot. And your RIMS system will be even better I would imagine. If you find it working too hard to maintain temps, or there is a lot of inconsistency, you could always DIY insulate the MLT or try the “aluminum foil above the grain bed” trick to minimize heat loss (my guess is those steps won’t be necessary with RIMS).

2. Loss of efficiency due to channeling type effect from the short grain bed: not saying there isn’t any effect, but I think it’d be a lot more if I was using a bazooka screen instead of the false bottom. Not something I will ignore going forward, but with the continuous HERMS recirc and doing slow lautering, I think it could be only a small impact. I will definitely watch for this efficiency loss when I do smaller grain bill beers.

3. Similar to #2- Poor rinsing during sparge / poor temperature distribution: I have a recirc manifold that distributes wort back to the MLT pretty evenly, and a sparge arm that I keep the bottom submerged in 1-2” of water on top of the grain bed. Again- Going slow during sparge / lauter will also help keep things distributed evenly.

4. Poor filtering qualities of a short grain bed: I guess this one considers the bed is too short to really act as a filter during runoff. However, I think that discussion was more for a batch/fly sparge system- not considering a full time mash recirc like RIMS or HERMS. Once again, no real experience in that department yet- but my guess is it wouldn’t be much of an issue due to a full time recirc allowing the bed to set throughout the entire mash (not just during a vorlauf at the end).

In the end, I decided to go with the bigger MLT knowing the downside is being forced to do only 10+ gallon batches of some beers. The other possibility if I find it ant working out for smaller 5 gallon beers is I swap out MLTs and use the old reliable orange cooler when needed. My opinion- do it. But then again I am a bad conscience.

[Edited to make it read better, took out a lot of words]
 
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Thanks for the input... I think it's doable with RIMS. So honest moment... I am in discussions to possibly buy this prototype mash tun which would match the two kettles I just bought. It's an earlier version so it doesn't have the bottom drain and I will need to get a pickup tube made, but it's such a cool design and seems like a unique item to have. Any further thoughts? My kettles are 15g and this tun is 20g.

The other options would be...

Spike 15g mash tun
SSbrewtech 20g infussion mash tun
Stout Tanks 15g bottom drain mash tun
 

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It does look like a pretty neat item. Especially since it matches the other vessels. I’m sure @Jaybird can probably help you out with a drain tube of some sort if you need it (he has a “do you need a one-off part” topic on here). For some people (guilty) part of the enjoyment of this hobby is the tinkering, expanding, organizing, etc. that can be done in between brews. So getting something that works in your system while you also think it’ll make your setup unique/cool is brilliant in my opinion (but again I’m a bad conscience).
 
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