12-12-12 Wee Heavy Recipe Formulation

[MDVDuber]

Do we need to pick a yeast or is either of the Scottish Ale yeasts acceptable?

White Labs - WLP028 states that it doesn't ferment well under 62 degrees F - but that the desired flavors are produced at 65 degrees.

WYeast 1728 doesn't seem to have that limitation.

 

[sapperxl]

I'm using white labs, my LHBS doesn't have wyeast and I'd have to pay for ice and express mail to order some online, it's still in the 90s here.

 

[smokinghole]

If you wait until november sometime to order yeast you should be fine.

 

[smokinghole]

I am going to use East Coast Yeast Scottish Heavy if I can get a hold of it in due time.

Description of ECY07: Leaves a fruity profile with woody, oak esters reminiscent of malt whiskey. Well suited for 90/shilling or heavier ales including old ales and barleywines due to level of attenuation (77-80%) - recommend a dextrinous wort. Suggested fermentation temp: 60-68°F.

 

[MDVDuber]

I am going to use East Coast Yeast Scottish Heavy if I can get a hold of it in due time.

Description of ECY07: Leaves a fruity profile with woody, oak esters reminiscent of malt whiskey. Well suited for 90/shilling or heavier ales including old ales and barleywines due to level of attenuation (77-80%) - recommend a dextrinous wort. Suggested fermentation temp: 60-68°F.

Sounds like a great yeast - but they sure are cagey about how to get your hands on some - short of driving hours to get to Princeton...

 

[smokinghole]

You can call Princton Homebrew show. They will ship. That's what I'll be doing.

 

[bottlebomber]

Just ordered my stuff for this today. I got 20 lbs of MO, and then also grabbed a pound each of RB and crystal 60 in case I go that route. Got wyeast 1728.

 

[smokinghole]

Just thought of something. If anyone plans of trying to get the East Coast Yeast Scottish strain start calling now. I don't know how often drop offs are at the store but it's a small operation.

 

[JLW]

Here is the recipe I am working on. A couple of questions.

1. ABV seems a little low even though it is within the style
2. I also don't feel like 7.19 gal is enough to start with.

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: 12-12-12 Wee Heavy
Brewer
Asst Brewer:
Style: Strong Scotch Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 7.19 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.98 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.25 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.25 gal
Estimated OG: 1.095 SG
Estimated Color: 18.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 33.2 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 82.1 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
17 lbs 2.4 oz Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 96.6 %
9.6 oz Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 2 3.4 %
1.00 oz Herald [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 3 31.3 IBUs
0.25 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Boil 20.0 Hop 4 2.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Scottish Ale (Wyeast Labs #1728) [124.21 Yeast 5 -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 17 lbs 12.0 oz
----------------------------
Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 23.19 qt of water at 164.8 F 150.0 F 75 min

Sparge: Fly sparge with 3.77 gal water at 168.0 F
Notes:

 

[bottlebomber]

Here is the recipe I am working on. A couple of questions.

1. ABV seems a little low even though it is within the style
2. I also don't feel like 7.19 gal is enough to start with.

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: 12-12-12 Wee Heavy
Brewer
Asst Brewer:
Style: Strong Scotch Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 7.19 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.98 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.25 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.25 gal
Estimated OG: 1.095 SG
Estimated Color: 18.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 33.2 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 82.1 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
17 lbs 2.4 oz Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 96.6 %
9.6 oz Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 2 3.4 %
1.00 oz Herald [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 3 31.3 IBUs
0.25 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Boil 20.0 Hop 4 2.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Scottish Ale (Wyeast Labs #1728) [124.21 Yeast 5 -

Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 17 lbs 12.0 oz
----------------------------
Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 23.19 qt of water at 164.8 F 150.0 F 75 min

Sparge: Fly sparge with 3.77 gal water at 168.0 F
Notes:

7.19 does seem low, especially if almost 2 gallons are lost to the kettle caramelization right off the bat, followed by a 120 minute boil. Also, how are you planning on getting 82% efficiency with this massive grain bill?

Oh yeah, and, what's the quarter ounce of EKG all about?

 

[MDVDuber]

So I'm thinking of building up the yeast with an 80/-. Now I'm wondering how long it would take to get through primary so that I could harvest the yeast and pitch it to my 12-12-12 within a week of harvest.

Thinking out loud here (and looking for input too)

Planning to ferment a bit low maybe 60-62 degrees, and debating between WYeast 1728 and this East Coast strain that smokinghole turned us on to. I wonder if counting on 3 weeks in Primary is enough....

 

[smokinghole]

Fermenting in the 60s I would figure for 2-3 weeks. Probably more like three weeks to actually finish to be on the safe side.

 

[MDVDuber]

So I'm seeing a Thanksgiving brew day in my future.....

 

[JLW]

Seeing the comment on my recipe above me thinks I might need some help with this recipe.

 

[statseeker]

I would start with 6.5 gallons at strike and then sparge with 5. First runnings collected minus the 2 for your reduction will be around 2.5 gallons. I'd say total would be 3 gallons from the reduction plus first runnings, plus your sparge, maybe 8 gallons in the boil if you push it.

 

[MDVDuber]

I would start with 6.5 gallons at strike and then sparge with 5. First runnings collected minus the 2 for your reduction will be around 2.5 gallons. I'd say total would be 3 gallons from the reduction plus first runnings, plus your sparge, maybe 8 gallons in the boil if you push it.

I see a new and larger brew pot in my future too......

 

[KingBrianI]

I've got this showing up today for the 2 gallon caramelization. I think that technique may start finding it's way into more of my beers now that it should be easier with that pot.

 

[jfr1111]

Is anybody in Canada willing to swap with me ? I understand that no one in the US would want to pay the incredibly high shipping costs to Quebec (only to have the bottles seized at customs...). I wouldn't ship beer to the US either anyway.

Sorry to be a bit OT here.

 

[smokinghole]

I'm sitting here trying to decide what to do with my base malt. I have a full sack of MO and maybe 10lbs left from my open sack. I have a bunch of beer planned in the coming months. So I was thinking when I get my specialty malts I'd just order myself like 14lbs of Golden Promise and split my base between MO and GP. That doesn't sound like a bad idea. I think a blend of the two would work well.

Also as we discussed in case of a lack of maltiness I am looking at some dark crystal. As it stands I'm thinking this for my recipe. I did my shopping on the common sites and I found More Beer to be my vendor of choice. It's a $28 grain bill not including the other half of base malt from my on hand maris otter.

7.5gal into fermentor:

14lbs Maris Otter
14lbs Golden Promise
8oz British Roasted Barley
8oz British Crystal 165L

 

[blizzard]

Is 150 a good mash temp? I was thinking that is low.

 

[bottlebomber]

Is 150 a good mash temp? I was thinking that is low.

I think it is. Im going to mash at 154 because im not going to have the luxury of caramelizing in a second pot while I start my boil. As kingbrian mentioned earlier, the time that it will take me to boil down the runnings might make the mash overly fermentable, resulting in a thinner beer. I am going to mash a little hotter to combat that, am going to get 80% efficiency, and it is going to go perfectly. Just you watch

 

[Cromwell]

Has anyone found a great source for Golden Promise or Maris Otter?

 

[GuldTuborg]

Rebel Brewer has GP by Fawcett ($1.49/lb) and Simpson's ($1.35/lb), plus they offer 10% off if you order more than 10lbs. Their shipping is reasonable, but definitely not free. Anyone find a better price?

 

[bottlebomber]

I don't know how rebel charges their shipping... I got crisp MO through Brewmasters Warehouse for 1.65, plus picked up their "weekly special" (see thread) which was an awesome looking RIS. 6.99 shipping, but the main reason I ordered from them is I keep hearing that their crush is awesome, and I don't yet have a mill. I figure Im gonna need all the efficiency I can get.

 

[KingBrianI]

Farmhouse Brewing Supply has the Thomas Fawcett Golden Promise for $1.23 a lb.

 

[bottlebomber]

Farmhouse Brewing Supply has the Thomas Fawcett Golden Promise for $1.23 a lb.

Holy cow, my LHBS charges $70 a 55 sack which comes to $1.27. What is their shipping policy?

 

[Malticulous]

They charge me 50¢ a pound.

 

[bottlebomber]

They charge me 50¢ a pound.

Who does? And for what?

 

[Malticulous]

Farmhouse. Great place but I can usually get cheaper prices.

 

[GuldTuborg]

Farmhouse. Great place but I can usually get cheaper prices.

50 cents a pound for what, exactly?