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Don't worry now that Intelligentsia has been bought by Peets, you will want to start roasting and mixing your own anyway and won't need to ask these silly questions.. ;)

Well I do roast and blend my own, but when I'm looking to calibrate my taste buds I occasionally buy Intelli or La Colombe.

I was under the impression a blend was consistent in what went into it, but really all that matters is they get the same flavors each time.
 
Probably the best one is the turbo oven on top of the stir crazy popcorn machine, with a piece of ducting in the middle. I posted a crappy picture up above there. It does work pretty well.
+1 on the SC/CO combo. I've been using it for years and it evenly roasts a lb. of espresso in 12 -14 min. very controllable, and you can ramp your roast profile.
 
I used to stick to single origin, but then I tried mixing Ethiopian and Brazilian 50/50. I'm sold on blends now, especially for espresso. I still dont care at all for dark roast in my espresso though. Call me a heathen, but a lighter roast in an espresso is magical for my tastes. I suppose things brings me back to why I started roasting my own in the first place.
OK, you're a heathen. But so am I. French roast is disgusting... Full City is about as far as I go when roasting. Keep the water temp up around 201 -203 to avoid sourness and it's ideal IMO... It's amazing how much water temp has to do with espresso extraction. Lower temps for darker roasts avoid bitterness, while higher temps for lighter roasts avoids the sour side...
 
I just got a V60 for work, to replace my Melitta. You can get a plastic V60 for like $7 on Amazon, so why not.

Decided to put it up against the Chemex today on this Guatemalan I've been roasting which has been giving me some fantastic Milk Chocolate flavors in both my Chemex and the Press.

Chemex/Press: Both give a very silky milk chocolate flavor with a little nuttiness. Beautiful aftertaste that just lingers in your mouth.

V60: Completely different coffee. Pretty acidic and a little bit of fruit flavor. Really, not chocolate flavor at all (which my wife and I both missed).

For this particular bean, we like the Chemex the best, but I'm really excited by the flavor the V60 pulled out of this bean - something I couldn't get in the Melitta.
 
OK, you're a heathen. But so am I. French roast is disgusting... Full City is about as far as I go when roasting. Keep the water temp up around 201 -203 to avoid sourness and it's ideal IMO... It's amazing how much water temp has to do with espresso extraction. Lower temps for darker roasts avoid bitterness, while higher temps for lighter roasts avoids the sour side...


So glad I'm not the only one!! I don't want my coffee to taste like charcoal or an ashtray... I very rarely go much further than first crack, I get so much more out of the specific beans than when I roast all the good flavors away.
 
So glad I'm not the only one!! I don't want my coffee to taste like charcoal or an ashtray... I very rarely go much further than first crack, I get so much more out of the specific beans than when I roast all the good flavors away.

I used to like dark roasts, no more it's all changed;)
 
I just got a V60 for work, to replace my Melitta. You can get a plastic V60 for like $7 on Amazon, so why not.

Decided to put it up against the Chemex today on this Guatemalan I've been roasting which has been giving me some fantastic Milk Chocolate flavors in both my Chemex and the Press.

Chemex/Press: Both give a very silky milk chocolate flavor with a little nuttiness. Beautiful aftertaste that just lingers in your mouth.

V60: Completely different coffee. Pretty acidic and a little bit of fruit flavor. Really, not chocolate flavor at all (which my wife and I both missed).

For this particular bean, we like the Chemex the best, but I'm really excited by the flavor the V60 pulled out of this bean - something I couldn't get in the Melitta.

Which Guatemalan is it? Something still available? I love chocolate flavors in coffee.
 
Which Guatemalan is it? Something still available? I love chocolate flavors in coffee.

I just checked but Bodhi doesn't have it anymore. It was the Guatemala Finca San Serapio.

I have another Guat from them (this one, I think? http://www.bodhileafcoffee.com/collections/guatemala-green/products/guatemala-las-hamacas-green) which is listed as having Chocolate and Orange Acidity. I'll roast this up in the next week or so and will report on the results and if it's worth buying.
 
Which Guatemalan is it? Something still available? I love chocolate flavors in coffee.


The Brazilian I got from homeroastcoffee.com has lots of chocolate along with caramel/toffee notes. It's good stuff.
"Brazil Fazenda Aurea Natural 16+". Good prices and cheap shipping.
 
GREAT article on the sale of Stumptown & Intelligentsia to Peets. I've been a Stumptown fan for at least 15 years and it has been wild watching them grow. I remember learning about them from a documentary on PBS and subsequently ordering my first bag of Hairbender Espresso blend. I ground it on my old whirly blade and pulled shots on my krups "steam toy" espresso machine.

http://legacy.sweetmarias.com/library/node/9528


PS - did anyone grab any of that 92 point Yirg @ SM's that just sold out? I put some in the cart and decided to sleep on it before buying.... dumb
 
GREAT article on the sale of Stumptown & Intelligentsia to Peets. I've been a Stumptown fan for at least 15 years and it has been wild watching them grow. I remember learning about them from a documentary on PBS and subsequently ordering my first bag of Hairbender Espresso blend. I ground it on my old whirly blade and pulled shots on my krups "steam toy" espresso machine.

http://legacy.sweetmarias.com/library/node/9528


PS - did anyone grab any of that 92 point Yirg @ SM's that just sold out? I put some in the cart and decided to sleep on it before buying.... dumb

I got 10# of a Yirg Baraka Buna. Just roasted 5# of it.
 
GREAT article on the sale of Stumptown & Intelligentsia to Peets. I've been a Stumptown fan for at least 15 years and it has been wild watching them grow. I remember learning about them from a documentary on PBS and subsequently ordering my first bag of Hairbender Espresso blend. I ground it on my old whirly blade and pulled shots on my krups "steam toy" espresso machine.

http://legacy.sweetmarias.com/library/node/9528


PS - did anyone grab any of that 92 point Yirg @ SM's that just sold out? I put some in the cart and decided to sleep on it before buying.... dumb

I bet that in 5,10,15,20 or whatever years that guy will decide that he has done everything that he can or is interested in doing with SM's and that he wants to go on a new venture or retire. He'll realize that his best option for doing that is to sell some stake or all of SM's off to give him the money and time to do so. Then he'll realize that it's not always about a money grab, sometimes it's about the realization that you no longer have the same enthusiasm for what you are doing that you once did. That or he'll realize that he won't live forever and that the best thing that he can do for his heirs is to provide a means for them to find their own path and follow their own dreams in life, not assume that they want to continue his dream and passion. Either way, none of us live forever, and most of us don't want to do the same thing forever either. Sure, sometimes the sale of a company doesn't go the way you want it to, and the vision of the founder(s) is lost, but it's better to take a chance that it will flourish with an infusion of capital and/or enthusiasm from another party than let it die on the vine.

The analogy of a band is a good one, but his interpretation is a bit off. Bands "sell out" because they grow tired of the routine that they're in, they want a new challenge, a new way to express themselves or an opportunity to try something different. Some flourish with these changes and some fail. Sure, everyone will say that they do it for the fans (customers), and in a way, they do. They take an opportunity to rise to another challenge, and do something they haven't done before. Any real fan will appreciate that effort.

Whether your a brewer, a musician, a coffee roaster, a computer programmer, or anything else, your priorities change over time. At some point, the desire to run your operation the way you want it with nobody else to answer to shifts to be a lower priority than rising to a new challenge or getting more money.
 
^great response, Dan. I think you hit the nail on the head.

PD - I can't remember if that was the coffee with "blueberry" in the descriptor but if it is, I'm jealous. I knew I should have ordered but was thinking about my current supply (which is kinda full).
 
^great response, Dan. I think you hit the nail on the head.

PD - I can't remember if that was the coffee with "blueberry" in the descriptor but if it is, I'm jealous. I knew I should have ordered but was thinking about my current supply (which is kinda full).

No blueberry. Very odd tea-like notes. My kids and I hit it this weekend. It's good. I did my usual light roast and used a lot of grounds to get a good flavor.

I'll make in in the AM and comment here in situ.

https://www.sweetmarias.com/product/ethiopia-yirga-cheffe-baraka-buna
 
Tall Dan I really want to add something but you covered it all and leave me nothing to say. Well put.

Speaking of sell outs, maybe it's just me but I'm bothered by the fact sweet marias gives 452 different flavor descriptions for each coffee.

I guess that doesn't make them sell outs but it grinds my gears.
 
Tall Dan I really want to add something but you covered it all and leave me nothing to say. Well put.

Speaking of sell outs, maybe it's just me but I'm bothered by the fact sweet marias gives 452 different flavor descriptions for each coffee.

I guess that doesn't make them sell outs but it grinds my gears.


I have nothing to add but this because it's all I can think of now.
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Carry on and feel free to ignore me. I dipped into the hb lemon wine tonight.
 
For the record a Full City roast IS a dark roast... ;) even for Espresso... As for Sweet Marias they are so much marketing hype.. There are much more reasonable places to buy better green. SM is the only place I ever bought 20# of coffee and got a UPS box marked 20# on it.. With one non coffee item I ordered. Got about 19# of actual green.. Not saying that I won't still buy from them. I like the Yemen when they get it. I mix it with Sumatran for a classic Moka Java. Call it the Al Qaeda blend... Nice...
 
For the record a Full City roast IS a dark roast... ;) even for Espresso... As for Sweet Marias they are so much marketing hype.. There are much more reasonable places to buy better green. SM is the only place I ever bought 20# of coffee and got a UPS box marked 20# on it.. With one non coffee item I ordered. Got about 19# of actual green.. Not saying that I won't still buy from them. I like the Yemen when they get it. I mix it with Sumatran for a classic Moka Java. Call it the Al Qaeda blend... Nice...

I've bought from other places. SM has competitive prices.

I don't buy into their reviews / cupping scores, but it's hard to know who to believe on that.
 
For the record a Full City roast IS a dark roast... ;) even for Espresso... As for Sweet Marias they are so much marketing hype.. There are much more reasonable places to buy better green. SM is the only place I ever bought 20# of coffee and got a UPS box marked 20# on it.. With one non coffee item I ordered. Got about 19# of actual green.. Not saying that I won't still buy from them. I like the Yemen when they get it. I mix it with Sumatran for a classic Moka Java. Call it the Al Qaeda blend... Nice...

Tom might get overboard with his reviews, but nobody else on the web offers their quality @ their prices.

Edit: you are just fulla crap saying other places offer higher quality coffee. Feel free to back this up

I'm too spoiled to settle for even mediocre coffee so I don't mess with many other retailers any more. Roastmasters and a couple coops are the only other places I trust to offer high quality greens.

Most places on the web flat out suck. They get away with it b/c most people roast "dark" and have no idea what they're missing out on
 
Burmans (#2 and right behind him on volume) is on par with a lot if not most of Sweet Marias coffees. I like their "regular" coffees better. There is Theta Ridge, Captains Coffee, Roastmasters, Bodhi.. well a lot of places. Sweet Maria's isn't the only place to buy coffee from. Trust me.

If you were unfortunate enough to be involved with the hack on their website (I wasn't) that they denied for months, you would probably be looking elsewhere as well.

There is a pretty complete list of places on the Home Coffee Roasters group on Facebook if you are really curious about other sources. If you live in a Speedee area like I do then Burman's makes a lot more sense to be the primary source.

If you are on the West Coast, then SM is probably the best bet.. on the East, maybe Captain's and/or Roastmasters.

Having said that, I do occasionally like to buy stuff from SM. I also like to buy from other places when I hear about something special.

Also.. separate from that, after having talked to both companies and visited Burman's in person.. they are such nice people by comparison.

And I always get slightly more than what I order from them. Yes I weigh the stuff when I get it...Shorting me on an order really put a damper on my purchases from them... almost every bag I got was an ounce short on that one order... so don't order right at a UPS price cutoff.. just saying...

So I have my reasons, to me they are all true; I won't change them, not even for you!

Fred
 
I've tried all those places over the years and their quality just isn't as good, with the exception of roastmasters and a couple coops as I stated earlier.

Klatch offers really high quality stuff too but it's pricey. 90+ won't sell direct to homeroasters.
 
I bought a couple pounds of green beans from klatch.

The green coffee coop beans I've had are really awesome. Ethiopian might be the best coffee I've had all year. The Brazil and Guatemalan beans are top notch from what I can tell. Infrequent stock/supply, and variety is only reason to shop elsewhere, and those are big reasons.

I bought some beans in Hawaii, but was not hugely impressed with them. Maybe I need to roast them darker :D

Haven't tried other sources.

I am thinking about adding the PID to my hottop if I can figure it out. When I get a great roast on a I'm really enjoying drinking, it would be nice to plug in my previous curve and set it and forget it t get the same result the next time. Probably not as easy as it sounds thought. Have a really nice columbian ( la vereda (?)) that I have been enjoying all week! Have lots more green beans but I think I really nailed it on this last roast.

TD
 
I've tried Bodhi Leaf a lot lately because they'll run 20% off or so and then only charge me $6 for shipping, so I can get beans to my door for about $2/lb less than Sweet Marias. So far I've been satisfied with the quality as well.

I tried Theta Ridge but just couldn't get anything special out of their beans. Nothing bad, especially for like $4/lb, but I'd rather pay $6 to $8 to be blown away.

I was really frustrated with Sweet Marias when the credit card theft came because they completely denied my info had been stolen, even though it had. So I took about a 6 month hiatus from them and tried a few suppliers. They are a good source of information, but you pay a premium for it.

I'm just happy we have so many choices and options to buy from. When I'm buying beer supplies, my options are limted unless I want to ship something into town.
 
Right now Burmans has better centrals than SM, including a Panama Geisha off the newsletter for $14/lb.... So just saying that SM is the best isn't correct. Especially for the last year or so...
 
It has nothing to do with winning or losing. I am glad I have two regular sources of green. I like SM when they have really unusual stuff. That really has not been the case for months. But overall, IMHO, 2015 hasn't been a good year for coffee in general.
 
No blueberry. Very odd tea-like notes. My kids and I hit it this weekend. It's good. I did my usual light roast and used a lot of grounds to get a good flavor.

I'll make in in the AM and comment here in situ.

https://www.sweetmarias.com/product/ethiopia-yirga-cheffe-baraka-buna

Oh man I'm beside myself, this coffee is so good. I did a medium roast to somewhere between American and City, then used a full scoop per cup (I do 6 cups) in a perc. I'm really enjoying my java this morning!
 
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