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ocluke
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Did you end up buying one? Did anyone in the states end up buying one? If so, please give any feedback you have on it.
This concept is beautiful and looks to be much easier to clean up and manage. I'm trying to come up with more reasons not to get one over a 3 vessel RIMS system. Help me out if you can think of other reasons beyond the sparging issue that was brought up.
No I did not. I ended up building a Brutus clone with Blichmann pots. Got a spectacular deal on welding of the stainless frame so I went that route.
Nice got any pics? I'd like to see it...
Whalen7840
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great, now I'm going to be spending alot more money on brewing equipment lol
not that it's a bad thing at all !!
not that it's a bad thing at all !!
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Also, here is a vid I did with it -
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goybar
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In the videos I noticed that the beers were cloudy.
Is that due to the process?
Is that due to the process?
There are many reasons why beer ends up cloudy, and some beer styles are supposed to be cloudy. Most major and micro breweries filter their beer for various reasons, one being clarity. In homebrewing filtering is less common, however it is still possible to have very clear unfiltered homebrewed beer. This varies based on the beer style, ingredients, conditioning time, etc. It seems to be a matter of personal preference in homebrewing, some people make no attempt to clerify their beer while others go through a bit of effort all the way up to expensive filtering systems. I like my beer to be clear so I usually throw in irish moss and use gelatin. The beer usually ends up clear, but not always.
Which ones?? Mine were all clear in those videos. Condensation on the glass from the 100% humidity here. Although mine usually take till near the bottom of the keg to get crystal clear. I am going to begin using IM and gelatin.
Did anyone get one of these yet? Or...any State side distributors yet?
Also, Fei....In your opinion, can I get 5 gallons of finished product without adding any water with the 20 L version?
edit: Just saw this on their site so it looks as the answer would be "yes".
Contents:
Brewing quantity 20 l
Finished beer (standard beer)
=approx. 25 l beer wort
edit: Just saw this on their site so it looks as the answer would be "yes".
Contents:
Brewing quantity 20 l
Finished beer (standard beer)
=approx. 25 l beer wort
ocluke
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Also on their site is a link to their sales partners in various countries. In the U.S. it is http://www.morebeer4u.com/
Sweet! Thank you.
cbraun77s
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My dream is at electricbrewery.com
Modeling my set up from this, with 19.8 gal tanks instead. Once tanks arrive, electronic components to make control box, and heating elements, I'll be busy for a month.
Modeling my set up from this, with 19.8 gal tanks instead. Once tanks arrive, electronic components to make control box, and heating elements, I'll be busy for a month.
ocluke
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I agree. I would love to replicate this if I had the time to do it. I guess if all of the parts could be ordered in a kit, I would be more inclined to attempt the build. Please create your own build thread when you begin. I would like to follow it.
cbraun77s
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I will be starting a thread soon...control panel built, new 20 gallon tanks, etc. stayed tuned
ocluke
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I inquired to the company oversees, informed them that I'm aware of their East Coast rep (morebeer4u), and wanted to know if they planned on expanding to any larger distributors or West Coast chains. Below is the reply I received from the Distribution Group Leader at the company:
Im sorry for the delay.
Thank you for your interest in our Braumeister.
Indeed its a very simple patented system.
Yes we have actuel a dealer for our machines at the East Cost.
Actually we are also on train to make a cooperation with More Beer
http://morebeer.com.
So that we could also offer our microbreweries at the West Coast.
It looks like MoreBeer will soon be selling the product.
I couldn't resist anymore and ended up buying a Braumeister (20l version) a while ago.
So far I'm loving it!
The main limitation is the amount of malt you can put into it. 6kg (13lbs) is maximum. Any more than that and the grain bed becomes too compact and the pump struggles.
With some sparging you can achieve 80% efficiency.
I typically brew 22 litres of 1.050-1.060 beer, that is super easy.
One example from my last batch:
5kg malt
Mashed in with 23 litres of water in the unit.
When mash was finished I sparged with 8 liters of 78 degree (C) water, (heated in another kettle) and ended up with 26 litres of 1.048 wort pre-boil (plenty room for more). 79.5% efficiency into boiler. Boiled for 90 minutes and ended up with 20.5 liters of 1.060 after loosing some to hops and trub. 78% eff. Should have sparged with 1-2 liters more.
In the German videos they don't sparge. However it's easy to do so, just pour water into the malt-pipe when it's in the "high" position for draining.
Also in the German videos and pictures the beers are cloudy. My beers are just as clear as when I was batch-sparging. The German homebrewers love Hefes and they're very anal about the Reinheitsgebot; no finings. I think that might be an explanation. The Braumeister have become very popular here in Norway and I have not yet seen any complaints about cloudy beers. And nine out of ten buyers are allready all-grain brewers with experience from a variety of setups. If beer quality went down after going to the braumeisters they wouldn't have been this popular!
If you want to use the pump to recirculate the wort while boiling or cooling, don't use whole hops or use a hop-bag. They will effectively clog the pump. Pellet hops no problem, just toss them in.
I bought two accessories; the immersion chiller and the insulating "suit". The chiller is good but not very big. Could probably have made a cheaper and more efficient one myself from some copper tubing but not as compact and clean looking.
The suit helps keep the heat in and a rolling boil with the (only) 2kw element is easily acchieved.
The best thing about the unit is the relaxed brewday. I am brewing a Wit now. Filled the Braumeister with cold water after I came home at six pm, programmed a long and complex mash-schedule, milled grain and mashed in when it beeped at 38 degrees (C) and havent touched it for a while. Now (8:40) it's fifteen minutes left of the mash and time to heat my sparge water. I'm expecting to have my wit fermenting and the kit cleaned and stowed away well before midnight. And during that time I have had plenty of time to do other stuff. Last brewday I went to the pub for a couple of pints of inspiration while the thing performed a five step mash!
The price? WAY to much if cheap beer is important. However brewing has become an important hobby and part of my life and in that context it's not too expensive!
A discussion I found in english from down under:
http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=48664&st=0
Cheers!
So far I'm loving it!
The main limitation is the amount of malt you can put into it. 6kg (13lbs) is maximum. Any more than that and the grain bed becomes too compact and the pump struggles.
With some sparging you can achieve 80% efficiency.
I typically brew 22 litres of 1.050-1.060 beer, that is super easy.
One example from my last batch:
5kg malt
Mashed in with 23 litres of water in the unit.
When mash was finished I sparged with 8 liters of 78 degree (C) water, (heated in another kettle) and ended up with 26 litres of 1.048 wort pre-boil (plenty room for more). 79.5% efficiency into boiler. Boiled for 90 minutes and ended up with 20.5 liters of 1.060 after loosing some to hops and trub. 78% eff. Should have sparged with 1-2 liters more.
In the German videos they don't sparge. However it's easy to do so, just pour water into the malt-pipe when it's in the "high" position for draining.
Also in the German videos and pictures the beers are cloudy. My beers are just as clear as when I was batch-sparging. The German homebrewers love Hefes and they're very anal about the Reinheitsgebot; no finings. I think that might be an explanation. The Braumeister have become very popular here in Norway and I have not yet seen any complaints about cloudy beers. And nine out of ten buyers are allready all-grain brewers with experience from a variety of setups. If beer quality went down after going to the braumeisters they wouldn't have been this popular!
If you want to use the pump to recirculate the wort while boiling or cooling, don't use whole hops or use a hop-bag. They will effectively clog the pump. Pellet hops no problem, just toss them in.
I bought two accessories; the immersion chiller and the insulating "suit". The chiller is good but not very big. Could probably have made a cheaper and more efficient one myself from some copper tubing but not as compact and clean looking.
The suit helps keep the heat in and a rolling boil with the (only) 2kw element is easily acchieved.
The best thing about the unit is the relaxed brewday. I am brewing a Wit now. Filled the Braumeister with cold water after I came home at six pm, programmed a long and complex mash-schedule, milled grain and mashed in when it beeped at 38 degrees (C) and havent touched it for a while. Now (8:40) it's fifteen minutes left of the mash and time to heat my sparge water. I'm expecting to have my wit fermenting and the kit cleaned and stowed away well before midnight. And during that time I have had plenty of time to do other stuff. Last brewday I went to the pub for a couple of pints of inspiration while the thing performed a five step mash!
The price? WAY to much if cheap beer is important. However brewing has become an important hobby and part of my life and in that context it's not too expensive!
A discussion I found in english from down under:
http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=48664&st=0
Cheers!
ocluke
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Excellent review. It seems that for most beers this thing would be a wonderful brew system, but if you are into high gravity beers, it won't cut it. Unless you think a 20L recipe can be scaled down to sub 20L final volume to accommodate the grain/wort ratio of a high gravity beer?
You could allways do a no-sparge and do a longer boil to make a small batch of relatively high-gravity beer in the 20 liter.
If high gravity was my thing I would have looked at another system or bought the 50 liter version. That one accomodates 13 kilos of malt I think and would be able to produce a decent amount of high gravity wort with a lower starting volume and/or a no-sparge. But for normal beers 50 liters is too much for me. I enjoy playing with recipes and brewing relatively often, so a batch of 22 liters in the fermenter is enough for each beer. One keg, 2-3 bottles and some loss to trub.
And you could allways add some extract..
If high gravity was my thing I would have looked at another system or bought the 50 liter version. That one accomodates 13 kilos of malt I think and would be able to produce a decent amount of high gravity wort with a lower starting volume and/or a no-sparge. But for normal beers 50 liters is too much for me. I enjoy playing with recipes and brewing relatively often, so a batch of 22 liters in the fermenter is enough for each beer. One keg, 2-3 bottles and some loss to trub.
And you could allways add some extract..
ocluke
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Beefeater, get some pics or a video up if and when you can. I just bought some "upopened" parts to go all electric, but you got me leaning this way again.
Sounds good! Looking forward to it.
Here is a video from the producer of Speidel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6rraC-xY2A&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6rraC-xY2A&feature=player_embedded#!
Sawdustguy
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There is a guy on the brewtroller who has built a system very similar to the Speidel single vessel brewery.
PatronSaint
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Hey thanks Guy, I guess I would be that guy 
To make it easier, a couple of links:
http://brewtroller.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1114
http://arniew.wordpress.com/
PS. I've been lurking for years, I think this is my first post. :fro:
To make it easier, a couple of links:
http://brewtroller.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1114
http://arniew.wordpress.com/
PS. I've been lurking for years, I think this is my first post. :fro:
jeffmeh
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Hey thanks Guy, I guess I would be that guy
To make it easier, a couple of links:
http://brewtroller.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1114
http://arniew.wordpress.com/
PS. I've been lurking for years, I think this is my first post. :fro:
Great stuff. I have been contemplating something like this for a while. Unfortunately, I am still contemplating.
