Stone IPA Clone Comparison - You pick the real one!

Rook · Jul 5, 2007

Ed that looks fantastic.

So you say that your beer tastes much more like the second Stone? I think I'm going to have to give this one a try here in a bit.

brewt00l · Jul 5, 2007

I saved your recipe from a previous thread and will be brewing this down the road..Stone IPA is definitely one of my favorites.

EdWort · Jul 5, 2007

Rook said:
Ed that looks fantastic.

So you say that your beer tastes much more like the second Stone? I think I'm going to have to give this one a try here in a bit.

Yeah, in my second test, SWMBO could not tell the difference. That first bottle was a bad beer. Strange. Obviously, buying the second bottle from a grocery store that moves a bunch of Stone was the way to go.

My only way to tell the difference is the color. Mine is a shade darker. I might have some more fun with this and some friends using plastic cups for a true blind taste test.

BierMuncher · Aug 3, 2007

Alright...So I was fortunate enough to swap few beers with EdWort and of course when he rattled off his list of available brews...I jumped on the chance to try the Stone Clone. For one thing...I'm just starting to dive into the world of IPA's so what better way to go than trying a fellow homebrewers clone of one of the pinnacles of the IPA world.

The UPS box showed up at around noon. My SWMBO had instructions to open the box and get those brews (I also got a Kolsch) into the fridge. After work tonight I had an obligation to go out to dinner with the in-laws so the beer would have to wait. I only had one beer at dinner...a Bass Ale. (I had to compare a commercial draft to my clone...pretty damn close).

So we get home about 9:00 and I have a few beer chores to do so finally, about 10:45PM, it's time to crack the 22 Oz'r open.

Pop the top...nice phsssst and a nice cloud of CO2 inside the neck of the bottle.

Take a whiff out of the bottle and WOW...nice hit of malt aroma, followed immediatley by the mid-tone tang of the hops. Now I don't know what hops go into this beer...but the smell is absolutely inviting.

Pour into a cold (not frosted) 16 Oz glass...nice amber/pale ale color...super clear and just a slight head that cascaded to about 1/4 inch. Took another whiff and wow..."so this is what an IPA is all about".

It's time. First a slight sip..then and nice cold gulp. The malt profile hits you right where it feels best and that whish of citrus from the hops is right behind it. It had a nice amount of bitterness that really grabs your attention...but was completely balanced by the heavier malt tones.

All I could do was sit down...look at the beer and wonder how to pay homage to a great beer so here I am....

Get the recipe below and BREW IT.

I've already place my order at MidWest for a 10-gallon batch.

Oh yeah...the buzz???? Priceless.

Good job Ed.

FSR402 · Aug 3, 2007

Ok, after reading that and seeing the pics, I HAVE GOT TO HAVE A RECIPE.....

PLEASE POST ONE.....

brewt00l · Aug 3, 2007

FSR402 said:
Ok, after reading that and seeing the pics, I HAVE GOT TO HAVE A RECIPE.....

PLEASE POST ONE.....

Ed has...search his posts for STONE

EdWort · Aug 3, 2007

BierMuncher said:
Get the recipe below and BREW IT.

Thanks for the great review. I only brewed it. So the carbonation level was OK?

The recipe came from one of the thousands at Austin Home Brew. Here you go.

5 Gallons of Stone IPA Clone

Single infusion 60 minutes at 153 degrees.

10.5# Pale
1# Munich
1# Crystal 20L

1 oz. Warrior 60 minutes
1 oz. Centennial 15 minutes
1 oz. Centennial 5 minutes

Dry Yeast - Safale US-05

O.G. 1.066
F.G. 1.010

Dry Hop with 1 oz. Centennial. The stainless herb ball in the keg works great!

Orpheus · Aug 3, 2007

I brewed this Ed, but doubled the hops. The wort tasted awesome, this may end up being a new fave! :mug:

brewt00l · Aug 3, 2007

Orpheus said:
I brewed this Ed, but doubled the hops. The wort tasted awesome, this may end up being a new fave!

The base recipe is already 93 IBUs...don't you kinda go past the point of amount/benefits by doubling?

Orpheus · Aug 3, 2007

brewt00l said:
The base recipe is already 93 IBUs...don't you kinda go past the point of amount/benefits by doubling?

I'm not a stock brewer. I don't like to keep anything on hand. I order what I need and what I don't use normally gets trashed, so I've developed this habit of ordering as close to exact amounts as possible and then adding any leftovers. I could only find 2 oz. bags of Warrior hops and a 4oz. bag of Cent. I love the hops, so I have no problem using them. I'd rather do that than let them sit in my fridge for a year.

Beerrific · Aug 3, 2007

brewt00l said:
The base recipe is already 93 IBUs...don't you kinda go past the point of amount/benefits by doubling?

Plus, he might not have just wanted more bitterness...more hops for more flavor and aroma. IMO, you can't add too many aroma hops in an IPA.

brewt00l · Aug 3, 2007

Orpheus said:
I'm not a stock brewer. I don't like to keep anything on hand. I order what I need and what I don't use normally gets trashed, so I've developed this habit of ordering as close to exact amounts as possible and then adding any leftovers. I could only find 2 oz. bags of Warrior hops and a 4oz. bag of Cent. I love the hops, so I have no problem using them. I'd rather do that than let them sit in my fridge for a year.

Beerrific said:
Plus, he might not have just wanted more bitterness...more hops for more flavor and aroma. IMO, you can't add too many aroma hops in an IPA.

My POV on this being that you get in a situation where your additions are not yielding much benefit past a certain point....not just from a bitterness perspective but a flavor and aroma perspective as well. For example you put a ton of pepper on a french fry to the point where you only taste pepper....adding more pepper isn't adding more "pepper flavor" just adding more physical pepper.

Beerrific · Aug 3, 2007

brewt00l said:
My POV on this being that you get in a situation where your additions are not yielding much benefit past a certain point....not just from a bitterness perspective but a flavor and aroma perspective as well. For example you put a ton of pepper on a french fry to the point where you only taste pepper....adding more pepper isn't adding more "pepper flavor" just adding more physical pepper.

Yes but you can add other flavors of pepper! :mug:

brewt00l · Aug 3, 2007

Beerrific said:
Yes but you can add other flavors of pepper!

While related, that's a whole 'nother direction of discussion :drunk:

gfranks7807 · Aug 3, 2007

Hey Ed - Have you tought about swapping out the Warrior for Magnum hops? I noticed on the Stone website they mentioned that they use Magnum hops for their bittering.

EdWort · Aug 3, 2007

gfranks7807 said:
Hey Ed - Have you tought about swapping out the Warrior for Magnum hops? I noticed on the Stone website they mentioned that they use Magnum hops for their bittering.

Not really. I may do some experimenting later, but this recipe ain't broke. It turned out a very tasty IPA. That's one of my goals in brewing is tasty brews that are consistant, batch after batch. So far, my hefe, kolsch, & haus have reached that phase. They all taste great and are consistant in flavor, aroma, appearance, etc. I'm adding this IPA to my standard line of brews as it's a winner and so far everyone who's tried it agrees. Hats off to AHS for a great recipe! Here's the link to their kit. I did the All Grain version.

dantodd · Aug 3, 2007

What's the Alpha Acid on your hops?

I punched these into beersmith with their standard AA for warrior (15%) and centennial (10%) and I only came up with 33.7 IBU.

1 oz warrior at 60min
1 oz centennial at 15 and
1 oz centennial at 5

gfranks7807 · Aug 3, 2007

Dantodd - I put the recipe into Beer Smith as well and it came in right on target at 77 IBU. Did you specify 5 gallons?

EdWort · Aug 3, 2007

Don't have that info off the top of my head. It's in my brew log back at home. I'll get to it in a week when I get back.

dantodd said:
What's the Alpha Acid on your hops?

I punched these into beersmith with their standard AA for warrior (15%) and centennial (10%) and I only came up with 33.7 IBU.

1 oz warrior at 60min
1 oz centennial at 15 and
1 oz centennial at 5

BierMuncher · Aug 3, 2007

dantodd said:
What's the Alpha Acid on your hops?

I punched these into beersmith with their standard AA for warrior (15%) and centennial (10%) and I only came up with 33.7 IBU.

1 oz warrior at 60min
1 oz centennial at 15 and
1 oz centennial at 5

Uhmmmmm.

I'm coming up with 66.2IBU's and having tasted this brew...I can promise it is way north of 34IBU's.

I think you plugged in 10 gallons.

EdWort · Aug 3, 2007

I think it is around 80 ibu's

dantodd · Aug 4, 2007

gfranks7807 said:
Dantodd - I put the recipe into Beer Smith as well and it came in right on target at 77 IBU. Did you specify 5 gallons?

I just found my error. I had a 3 gallon kettle specified. I have no idea what beersmith did with that info that gave me such low efficiency on the hops. I changed my kettle and everything looks fine. Don't know how they expected me to brew 5 gallons with a 3 gallon kettle. Sometimes it's just too smart for its own good.

McTarnamins · Aug 4, 2007

EdWort,

Please tell my you used the Warrior hops I sent you. Or maybe you used them a long time ago.

This is my next brew.

That beer looks awesome!!! I should have brewed this a long time ago instead of dinking around with Belgian Wits and Blondes.

Cheers

EdWort · Aug 4, 2007

McTarnamins said:
EdWort,

Please tell my you used the Warrior hops I sent you. Or maybe you used them a long time ago.

I brewed this before we swapped hops. I just checked and I brewed this back in March. How's that for aging and letting mellow.

Patience paid off big time!

Dr Vorlauf · Dec 12, 2007

Ive searched this and the recipe locater sticky. Problem is I cant find this recipie. can anyone help me?

EdWort · Dec 12, 2007

Dr Vorlauf said:
Ive searched this and the recipe locater sticky. Problem is I cant find this recipie. can anyone help me?

Go to the beginning of this thread. Scroll down to post 13.

Dr Vorlauf · Dec 12, 2007

D'OH Thanks Ed. PS I brewed up 14 gallons of your Kolsh recipe last night. Its looking good already !!!

Can wait to do Apfelwine !

crxyem · Dec 18, 2007

EdWort said:
Mine is fricking awsome! It's actually a Stone IPA Clone, but it tastes more like the Ruination. Much better than the real thing. I'm so stoked, I'm brewing it again tomorrow.
Here's the recipe.

Single infusion 60 minutes at 153 degrees.

10.5# Pale
1# Munich
1# Crystal 20L

1 oz. Warrior 60 minutes
1 oz. Centennial 15 minutes
1 oz. Centennial 5 minutes

Dry Yeast - Safale US-05

O.G. 1.066
F.G. 1.010

Dry Hop with 1 oz. Centennial. The stainless herb ball in the keg works great!

what would I use to make this as an extract vs all grain ?? I'd love to try this but I've never done an all grain yet.

sanders5x · Dec 18, 2007

BierMuncher said:
Alright...So I was fortunate enough to swap few beers with EdWort and of course when he rattled off his list of available brews...I jumped on the chance to try the Stone Clone. For one thing...I'm just starting to dive into the world of IPA's so what better way to go than trying a fellow homebrewers clone of one of the pinnacles of the IPA world.

The UPS box showed up at around noon. My SWMBO had instructions to open the box and get those brews (I also got a Kolsch) into the fridge. After work tonight I had an obligation to go out to dinner with the in-laws so the beer would have to wait. I only had one beer at dinner...a Bass Ale. (I had to compare a commercial draft to my clone...pretty damn close).

So we get home about 9:00 and I have a few beer chores to do so finally, about 10:45PM, it's time to crack the 22 Oz'r open.

Pop the top...nice phsssst and a nice cloud of CO2 inside the neck of the bottle.

Take a whiff out of the bottle and WOW...nice hit of malt aroma, followed immediatley by the mid-tone tang of the hops. Now I don't know what hops go into this beer...but the smell is absolutely inviting.

Pour into a cold (not frosted) 16 Oz glass...nice amber/pale ale color...super clear and just a slight head that cascaded to about 1/4 inch. Took another whiff and wow..."so this is what an IPA is all about".

It's time. First a slight sip..then and nice cold gulp. The malt profile hits you right where it feels best and that whish of citrus from the hops is right behind it. It had a nice amount of bitterness that really grabs your attention...but was completely balanced by the heavier malt tones.

All I could do was sit down...look at the beer and wonder how to pay homage to a great beer so here I am....

Get the recipe below and BREW IT.

I've already place my order at MidWest for a 10-gallon batch.

Oh yeah...the buzz???? Priceless.

Good job Ed.

Someone trying to fill Michael Jackson's shoes? LOL, I love the story!

Ender · Feb 2, 2008

If I cant find Warrior, can I use anything else? I have some magnum. Not sure what the flavor component of the warrior would be (if any).

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