Bootleggers Knuckle Sandwich

I recently had a pint of Knuckle Sandwich (IIPA) on tap at Beachwood BBQ in Seal Beach.

It was possibly the best beer I've had in a year. For the life of me I can't find much of anything on a recipe much less their hops or IBUs. Does anybody have any ideas or have an idea?

If you've got the chance to try some, do it, you won't be disappointed!

I found one recipe for a hops schedule but since this will need to be an extract I'm taking a WAG at the fermentables. The original had a huge rich complex malty front which is why I was going for 4 kinds of Crystal but would that just become too much? Should I cut some and increase others? I'm also looking for strong head formation so I've got the Carapils at 7%, will that be enough?

Batch Size 5.000 gal
Boil Size 5.500 gal
Boil Time 1.000 hr
OG 1.084 FG 1.021
ABV 8.2%
Bitterness 55.3 IBU (Tinseth)
Color 15 SRM (Morey)
Calories (per 12 oz.) 281

Malts/Grains
Light Dry Extract Dry Extract 9.000 lb
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L Grain 4.000 oz - steeped
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L Grain 8.000 oz - steeped
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L Grain 4.000 oz - steeped
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L Grain 4.000 oz - steeped
Cara-Pils/Dextrine Grain 12.000 oz - steeped

For the hops I'm hoping for a strong nose and a fruity finish but a long long way from a hop bomb.
Hops
Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
Simcoe 13% 1.000 oz Boil 30.000 min Pellet 25.4
Simcoe 13% 1.000 oz Boil 5.000 min Pellet 6.6
Amarillo 10% 1.000 oz Boil 30.000 min Pellet 18.6
Amarillo 10% 1.000 oz Boil 5.000 min Pellet 4.8
Centennial 10% 0.500 oz DH 0.000 s Pellet 0.0
Simcoe 13% 0.500 oz DH 0.000 s Pellet 0.0

Thanks for any input!

Anybody?!?!?

Luckily for me Bootleggers is right up the street from me. Been to the brewery a couple times. They make some great beers, but I've had one or two I didn't like. Got their Russian Rye in the fridge. Yum.

If you haven't discovered The Bruery yet, do it. Looks like you're in LB, and if it requires a trip up through the Orange Curtain I promise it'll be worth it.


joe

Talk to them and let them know you're brewing a clone because you loved their beer so much. You might get some good info.

JoeDaddio said:

Luckily for me Bootleggers is right up the street from me. Been to the brewery a couple times. They make some great beers, but I've had one or two I didn't like. Got their Russian Rye in the fridge. Yum.

If you haven't discovered The Bruery yet, do it. Looks like you're in LB, and if it requires a trip up through the Orange Curtain I promise it'll be worth it.


joe

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The Bruery is on my list too!

beerandloathinginaustin said:

Talk to them and let them know you're brewing a clone because you loved their beer so much. You might get some good info.

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That'll be my next plan.

You're killing me, I passed up going to their release party because I already made plans for a friend's party. Definitely have to grab myself a bottle soon.

codyjp said:

The Bruery is on my list too!

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If you can get your hands on The Tart Of Darkness, do it. It'll blow your mind. Either in a good way or a bad way. I loved it, my GF loved it but some people couldn't take it. It was a bit intense.


joe

that hop schedule won't get you any where near IIPA ibus...53 ibus is a fairly weak IPA bittering profile...get it closer to 100 and you'll be in the IIPA range.

dedhedjed said:

that hop schedule won't get you any where near IIPA ibus...53 ibus is a fairly weak IPA bittering profile...get it closer to 100 and you'll be in the IIPA range.

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Agreed, but this was a lot more malt and not really all that bitter. It had a great nose. I believe it was around the 50 mark in IBUs, which is quite low for the style, if not too low.

Cody Any luck with this? Im going for your recipe and we'll see what happens