I missed Younger this year, telling your wife you want to go wait 5hrs in line to have a beer when you have a 12mo old gets you dirty looks
Why are Stone beers so expensive?
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I missed Younger this year, telling your wife you want to go wait 5hrs in line to have a beer when you have a 12mo old gets you dirty looks
Jukas said:I missed Younger this year, telling your wife you want to go wait 5hrs in line to have a beer when you have a 12mo old gets you dirty looks
Take the kid with you?
bottlebomber
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Jukas said:I missed Younger this year, telling your wife you want to go wait 5hrs in line to have a beer when you have a 12mo old gets you dirty looks
It's the first and last time I'll do it. I mostly just did it for research purposes - I brewed a clone recipe right after and pretty much nailed it. It's just too long to wait for a beer. I tend to avoid things that are overly hyped as a rule. By the time I had spent all day waiting I was too tired to have more than one beer
Why because someone has the disposable income to buy beer you deem not worth it a snob? Forcing your ideals on someone and putting them down for not enjoying the same beer you do is a snob. I don't think "Stone" is one of the hot breweries. I think they have a large foot print so a lot of people can get them but Stone, DFH are usually the one's who are most often bashed.
Finally the brewery does not set the price disturbiton and retail sets the price. Why was CBS being sold for $50.00 a bottle? Not becuase of Founders but because that is what the market bears out. In my area stone is resonable and not over priced.
I missed Younger this year, telling your wife you want to go wait 5hrs in line to have a beer when you have a 12mo old gets you dirty looks
We went this year and we'll probably make the trip next year and bring the 7mo old with us. It's more than just the single beer for me, it's the experience. Next year we'll also be meeting up with friends from Oregon and hitting some of the other breweries in the area as well.
BakRivrBruen
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Apparently you seem to know so much so do you know exactly what their bank account looks like and how their accounting works?
At 6-7mo old I probably would have brought my son. The difference in rambunctious level between 9mo and 12mo for him was amazing, but I have a very high energy kid. If I can get at least 1 friend to go with me I'll likely go next year for the experience, I'm not likely to stand in a 5hr line solo so I gotta talk a couple buddies into joining.
Employing the "you don't know their accounting so I'm not wrong" tactic doesn't really work. Here's an idea, call the brewery and find out what they sell sixers of ruination for at their taproom. That will give you a good metric for what the brewery thinks they're worth.
Keep in mind the distributor usually gets them significantly cheaper than that (unless it's an area they self distribute). Heck depending on the region/market/vendor/etc store x and store y likely have very different costs for that same six pack of beer, even if they're 1mile apart due to things like volume and contract agreements with distributors.
For example here, Russian River sells bottles of Pliny at the pub for $5. Bottle Barn sells the same bottle of Pliny for $3.79. Whole Foods sells the same bottle of Pliny for $4.79. All three locations are within 5 miles of each other. Without knowing factors outside of our control, we can only blindly guess at to which of the three vendors is making the highest profit.
BrewKnurd
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neosapien said:
What?
TRainH2o
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FYI......here in Georgia, a Ruination six-pack is right at $15 wholesale unless you can work some type of discount from the distributor. I highly doubt a smaller shop would have any buying power.
I agree it is a bit much, so I have been brewing the clone found here on HBT.
I agree it is a bit much, so I have been brewing the clone found here on HBT.
I never said I did. I never made a claim on how much profit they made. You did. We'll just have to both agree that neither one of us has any idea whether Stone is breaking even or gouging their customers. If the price is more than you want to pay then don't pay it.
I have read this five times and I think my brain is going to explode. It reminds me of some of the auto corrected texts I've received from my mother-in-law.
BrewKnurd
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ktblunden said:
exactly! Im assuming it came from a phone and was autocorrected.
not a bit of it
google the phrase. the answer to that question is even better. the thread just started to look like a couple of boys peeing in each other's cheerios, so I figured a non sequitur would cheer everybody up.
But about stone's pricing, who knows. St Arnold's does much the same thing. In the end, everything is worth exactly as much as the market is willing to pay.
Do I like Stone beers? Yep. Do I think they are overpriced beers? Yep. Does that stop me from snagging a bomber every once in a while. Nah.
BrewKnurd
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not a bit of it
google the phrase. the answer to that question is even better. the thread just started to look like a couple of boys peeing in each other's cheerios, so I figured a non sequitur would cheer everybody up.
Ahhh, got it.
-10 points for bringing 4chan out into the real world.
Ahhh, got it.
-10 points for bringing 4chan out into the real world.
psh. should be +10 for finding a non-trolling practical use for it.
BakRivrBruen
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I never made a claim to any profit the make. All I said is they are gouging because to me, I see those prices as gouging. If you don't then good for you as I couldn't care less what you think in the first place. This whole thread was to ask why charge so much. It was a simple question meant for anyone who had some insight. If you wanna get your panties in a bunch over something you think I said or meant then good for you. I'm not gonna argue with you anymore about this "I said, you said" bs. Agree to disagree and move on.
And that price IS more than I would pay. If you re-read my initial post you will see I didn't buy it, my buddy did. But I'm sure you already knew that
But anyway I am not sure if it's a west coast thing but Stone is a fail for me. If someone could direct me to their best offerings so I could by chance redeem them, then I wouldn't have to cringe each time I see their 'angry beer' demon cartoons on the shelf.
Edit: I've only tried Ruination. It did Ruin my hopes of finding a good beer in the 22 ounces.
Edit: I've only tried Ruination. It did Ruin my hopes of finding a good beer in the 22 ounces.
cmiyc said:I never made a claim to any profit the make. All I said is they are gouging because to me, I see those prices as gouging. If you don't then good for you as I couldn't care less what you think in the first place. This whole thread was to ask why charge so much. It was a simple question meant for anyone who had some insight. If you wanna get your panties in a bunch over something you think I said or meant then good for you. I'm not gonna argue with you anymore about this "I said, you said" bs. Agree to disagree and move on.
And that price IS more than I would pay. If you re-read my initial post you will see I didn't buy it, my buddy did. But I'm sure you already knew that
Dude, you went to a public forum and made a claim that you felt you were being gouged on a reputable and well enjoyed product. You opened yourself up to an economic debate so don't get YOUR panties in a knot because you feel like you are being slighted with your OP.
For all you know one of these posters is affiliated with the brewery and knows more than you read into
All of the relevant posts in this thread are spot on in how market prices is developed and all of the costs involved in the brewing and distribution to retail aspect and if you don't want to pay it then don't.
If you feel the need to express yourself in a public forum then always be prepared for debate, argument and the possibility that many people may not agree with you
Ugh. It's not gouging. Gouging is a specific term for a specific type of pricing that happens under very specific circumstances.
The word you are looking for is "overpriced". Reworded appropriately, your sentence should read, "All I said is they are overpriced because to me, I see those prices as being too high." (Sorry that the grammar still sucks.)
Troutmaskreplica
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you guys don't want to know what we pay for beer here in ontario (canada).
imagine paying craft beer prices for bud or miller.
imagine paying craft beer prices for bud or miller.
bottlebomber
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Now THIS is gouging.
http://www.caviarexpress.com/organic_caviar-9-ounce-tin-in-california
And I think it's ridiculous what has happened to the price of artisanal goat cheese in the last 10 years.
http://www.caviarexpress.com/organic_caviar-9-ounce-tin-in-california
And I think it's ridiculous what has happened to the price of artisanal goat cheese in the last 10 years.
you guys don't want to know what we pay for beer here in ontario (canada).
imagine paying craft beer prices for bud or miller.
that's just....no....
worse than keanu on a bench with a sandwich.
My favorite so far is their RIS, although the one I tried was a 2007 that was aged 5 years. A friend tried it fresh from a bottle and said that it had definite solvent qualities. I've had their IPA, Ruination, AB, and Self-Righteous. I can appreciate them for being very well crafted, but I'm not really a hop-head. I wasn't thrilled with VE 11.11.11 but I'm glad I got to try it. The only other offerings on my list to try is their Smoked Porter and Old Guardian.
Seriously??!?! Maybe if it was just a single serving, but that serves 6!
I hate cartoonish crap, too, and the labels aren't to my taste. I'm not a big Arrogant Bastard fan, and have never tried Ruination, in large part because I have no desire to drink anything that leads to Ruin of any sort, lol. That said, the smoked porter series is surprsingly not over the top, and it's well priced. The vanilla bean version is awesome, and I don't give a flip if at $4 a 12 ozer that translates to a $24 6er. It also translates to a sub-$8 bomber, which fits my budget.
The IRS is probably better than most of the bourbon-barrel monstrosities out there that may cost twice as much or more. It's a great value at $8 a bomber, imo. I really haven't had a lot of their other beers. Colorado is a competitive beer state, so I've got a ton of options other than my beers. I rarely buy 6ers, and at all my local stores, Stone bombers are on the cheaper end of the scale.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Stone , but I jus went to a beer store down here in Tx last night , and actually saw a 17 dollar 12 oz bottle of beer !!!!! Not a bomber or a 24 oz ... 12 f-ing ozs of beer and guess what ? It wasn't a Stone ... Can't remember the name of it though ... Ended up going with DFH Pumpkin stuff ---- Wayyyyyyyyy wayyyy wayyy over rated beer , never getting that again .... I also grabbed a bomber of the 16th anniversary IPA from Stone --- and it was f-ing awesome y'all !!! Woooo ... Has all these crazy lemon oils and such in it , bad ass freakin beer if you like ipa's ... And it was only 7.09
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Stone is expensive for sure , but there are much more pricey and more terrible beers out there than Stone for sure
I've tried arrogant bastard and enjoy by 9.21.12
AB was pretty good and the price for the pint was fair.
9.21.12 was way overpriced @ 16$ for a bomber. I also couldn't finish it. I personally didn't care for it. It tasted like it wasn't ready yet with 11 types of hops fighting it out in some sort of battle royale.
But the grocery store near my house has 3$ fat tire and ranger ipa bombers.
Craft beer isn't cheap. But the price is usually fair for what you get.
Some breweries are over hyped. I personally think 3 Floyd's is over hyped. And their beers are also consistently more expensive when.compared to other beers. Some of their beers are pretty good. But some are kind of so so.
AB was pretty good and the price for the pint was fair.
9.21.12 was way overpriced @ 16$ for a bomber. I also couldn't finish it. I personally didn't care for it. It tasted like it wasn't ready yet with 11 types of hops fighting it out in some sort of battle royale.
But the grocery store near my house has 3$ fat tire and ranger ipa bombers.
Craft beer isn't cheap. But the price is usually fair for what you get.
Some breweries are over hyped. I personally think 3 Floyd's is over hyped. And their beers are also consistently more expensive when.compared to other beers. Some of their beers are pretty good. But some are kind of so so.
My wife went up to Fresno for the weekend and brought me back a bunch of bombers of 16th Anniversary, since the local stores to me don't seem to have it. Looking forward to giving that a try tonight. I tried to track down 9-21-12, but they sold out everywhere too quickly.
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What type is 9/21/12 ?
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Is there really no value to quality when it comes to beer? Honestly, the price of something is more than just the sum of the cost of its ingredients. I pay more for certain expensive beers because I know I am going to reliably get a beer better than I would at a lower price point. I don't often buy Stone, but their IPA happens to be one of my favorites and it's always reliably good. So I pay extra to drink a good beer that they developed and that they crafted, both of which are tasks that they deserve to be compensated for. They own the recipe and the production process for it and that's part of the price too if they decide to include it.
If all beer should be cheap to you, then drink cheap beer. I have a $2.99/six pack beer I drink when I feel like skimping and its not bad. I also drink expensive beers, and I sometimes drink expensive wines. Expensive wines aren't made from more expensive grapes, you're paying for location and for the skill of the vintner in producing good wine. If you get good cheap wine, they you got lucky on the valuation of the product. Same goes for beer, you should just be happy that some good brewers are willing to part with their beer for less money.
If all beer should be cheap to you, then drink cheap beer. I have a $2.99/six pack beer I drink when I feel like skimping and its not bad. I also drink expensive beers, and I sometimes drink expensive wines. Expensive wines aren't made from more expensive grapes, you're paying for location and for the skill of the vintner in producing good wine. If you get good cheap wine, they you got lucky on the valuation of the product. Same goes for beer, you should just be happy that some good brewers are willing to part with their beer for less money.
bottlebomber
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^^ this. I mean after all, Duvel is just some cheap pilsner malt and sugar. Probably almost as cheap as Bud to make.
Tried the 16th last night and wasn't too impressed. All I can think is how much tastier and better balanced Ruination 10th was with them both being about 10%. Too boozy and an unpleasantly harsh bitterness. Oh well, win some, lose some.
Yeah. but at least its very modestly priced. Sometimes it seems price goes with abv also,but I think its a good deal for an anniversary beer and its abv( that I happend to not think was as great myself) Ive paid worse for much worse beer.
And I think they could have put that over 10 bucks easily if they wanted,I got it for like 7 bucks wtf?? Its also limited.I thought it a good beer and different but I wasnt too gung-ho about it. The weird lemon thing may be somebody else's thing. Stone has some very good beers I personally like and some i dont but that just gives me a little more respect for them otherwise.Yeah. but at least its very modestly priced. Sometimes it seems price goes with abv also,but I think its a good deal for an anniversary beer and its abv( that I happend to not think was as great myself) Ive paid worse for much worse beer.
Yeah the pricing on this one (as well as the Ruination 10th when they were out) was quite reasonable. I just had higher hopes for it. The 15th was a lot better.
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