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First time brewer here,

I brewed for the first time three weeks ago ( a red ale), I took a look at my secondary fermentor today and noticed a white circle sitting on top of my brew. It looks like sugar bunched together, I'm not sure if its mold or what.

I know its not bubbles because it looks hard but I don't notice anything else sitting on top of the wort other than some of the hops I threw in last weekend. I tried smelling the wort to see if I can notice any off aromas but couldn't catch anything abnormal. Should I be worried?

Thanks a lot guys.
 
Sounds like yeast rafts to me.

A lot of times they form a circular pattern.

Does it look like this?
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Here is the image of it, its the white dot, I couldn't get a clear picture of it. Do you think its what you describe or a bigger problem?

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Here is a picture of it, its the white dot, I couldn't get better shot of it. Do you think its a yeast raft or anything I should worry about? All the surrounding matter is the hops I threw in on Sunday.

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It looks similar, although I had a big one and two really small ones in there. I haven't noticed any off aromas yet. I just pray that there is nothing wrong with this beer.
 
If it is green or smells horrible then you have an issue.

If there is an infection you will know, there will be no doubt about it.
 
If it is mold (which it does look like it or the beginning stages of it) after looking at hundreds of pics with the same prob. Should I worry about Oxidization? because mold needs O2 to grow.

Also, I closed the airspace by adding some distilled water to prevent further growth. I'm not sure if I made the problem worse but I figured the closed space and CO2 would push the O2 out and prevent further spread of the mold by reducing it's space capacity to spread.

I'm a rookie, so I guess I'm prone to rookie errors. I figured weaker beer is better than moldy beer.
 
If it is mold (which it does look like it or the beginning stages of it) after looking at hundreds of pics with the same prob. Should I worry about Oxidization? because mold needs O2 to grow.

Also, I closed the airspace by adding some distilled water to prevent further growth. I'm not sure if I made the problem worse but I figured the closed space and CO2 would push the O2 out and prevent further spread of the mold by reducing it's space capacity to spread.

I'm a rookie, so I guess I'm prone to rookie errors. I figured weaker beer is better than moldy beer.

Dude, it is probably yeast, not mold. The worst thing you can do is to mess with it (like adding water, etc). Post a pic so we can tell.

If it IS mold, there is no saving it. Stopping mold from growing still means there is mold. That beer is destined to go down the drain.

If it is yeast (which 98% chance it is), then the beer is fine. Leave it alone. Let it ferment. Bottle. Drink, Enjoy.
 
It is going to be like 99.95% of all the other threads like this....Noob nerves.

Instead of assuming that your beer is like a weak mewling baby, you have to start with the premise that it is really, really, really, hard to infect your beer.

Here's a bunch of versions of rafts.

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These all came from "infection" threads over the last few days...and NONE of them are anything else but normal beer surfaces. It is rarely ever clear of floaties, krausen remains, yeast rafts, hopgunk, oils from dry hopping....But rarely ever a tru infection show up on here.
 
Am I the only one who went in to this hobby thinking I'd follow a set of beginner instructions, swore I wouldn't panic or mess with the beer, and would drink every last drop of it no matter how it turned out? People seem to worry a lot!
 
Am I the only one who went in to this hobby thinking I'd follow a set of beginner instructions, swore I wouldn't panic or mess with the beer, and would drink every last drop of it no matter how it turned out? People seem to worry a lot!

I did as well. I read Papazian, and learned about RDWHAHB, and then came on here and started to read all those panic threads (like this one) where folks like yooper and others were writing the same thing I am now. And came to the conclusion that if in 10 different panic threads they were false alarms like yeast rafts or something, rather than my situation being any more unique than those, it was more than likely the exact same situation...
 
why are yeasts rafting anyway? it's not like they are going to be rescued. they should sink and be with their family.

merchant ships don't sail in my fermentor. port taxes are too high.
 
This paranoia is due to most publications stressing sanitation... I do feel sanitation is very important however, most books inclines new homebreweres to think even the slightest slip will cause there beer to become infected. The truth is normally you would have to work at getting an infected beer. That being said most home brewers will get an infection at some point however, it is a rarity, a fluke.
 
"These all came from "infection" threads over the last few days...and NONE of them are anything else but normal beer surfaces"

Whew! for a second there when I saw the last picture of what I am assuming is the primary fermentor, it was "wait! that's what mine looked like!" and it seemed fine. I may be one of the over worriers because so far, things have gone very well. I the only thing I messed up on was putting tap water in the bubblers. Cheap vodka off the shelf and up to the room where the fermentation takes place.
 
Yeah, I stopped messing with the beer, I'm just going to let it do its thing, if it taste like a horses anus or smells like it, I'm tossing it.

I guess what caused the anxiety is reading all the countless horror stories, sanitation lynch mobs, and things people should do or shouldn't do, making things sound harder than what it really is.

Thanks for the support guys.
 
But guys, the reason we stress sanitizing so much is so that we don't have infections. It's not to scare you, it's to prevent those things that should scare you.

This is something I've posted on here in several places, I recommend you print it off, and read it every night before you go to bed to prevent those brewing nightmares. ;)

Read this and relax;

revvy said:
I'm going to give you my serious answer to your question, about when you should stop WORRYING about infection. The answer is you should never WORRY about infection, or really anything else about this hobby. Because that is what it is, it is a hobby after all, and a really hard one to screw up.

Now it doesn't mean you ignore proper sanitation practices, and cut corners, or that you don't be careful about things, it is just that you stop thinking of your beer as a weak newborn baby.

It may appear that there's a ton of infection threads, BUT if you actually read the content of the threads, and not just the title, you will realize that there's not a lot of actual infections, just a bunch of scared new brewers who don't realize how ugly fermentation can actually be.

Just like you, I bet, they think that their beer is a lot weaker than it truly is. Just the opposite, it is really really hard to get an infection.

And infections RARELY happen to the new brewers who are so paranoid that they think the mere looking at their fermenters will induce an infection.

Most of the time on here the beer in question is not infected. It's just a nervous new brewer, who THINKS something is wrong when in reality they are just unused to the ugliness that beer making often is.

It creates sort of like the hypochodria that med students often get when they start learning about illness, they start to "feel" it in themselves.

There is a lot of info here on "infections" https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/has-anyone-ever-messed-up-batch-96644/

This is one of the best posts on the subject....

If you pitch enough viable, healthy yeast to do their job, it's hard to contaminate your brew to the point it isn't drinkable. Trust me, I've had an infection in my brewery, and I had to work really hard to get it! :D In my case, it was on the fourth generation of re-using yeast which I had not washed properly (I was still a n00b back then). Every time you reuse yeast you are growing the level of contamination by 100-1000x, so I learned the hard way you have to be very careful going beyond 1 or 2 re-uses of yeast.

BUT A new brewer following sanitary procedures using new equipment is very unlikely to have ruined beer. The worst thing that may happen is your beer will go sour after 4-6 months of room temperature storage. I doubt your beer will last that long. :rolleyes:

You'll find that since beer has been made for millenia even before anyone understood germ theory, that even just the basic fact that we have indoor water, clean our living spaces and ourselves regularly and have closed waste systems, and a roof over our heads, that we are lightyears ahead of our ancestor brewers.

And despite the doomsayers who say that ancient beer was consumed young because it would go bad, they forget the fact that most of those beers were usually HOPLESS, and that the biggest reason hops were placed in beers was for it's antisceptic/preservative function.

So even if the beer had to be consumed young, it still must have tasted good enough to those folks most of the time to survive culturally for 4,000 years, and not go the way of pepsi clear or new coke. I'm sure even a few hundred or thousands of years ago, people were discerning enough to know if something tasted good or nasty...

Go take a look at my photo walkthrough of Labatt's first "pioneer" brewery from the 1840's https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f85/labatt-pioneer-brewery-128740/

Wood fermenters, open cooling pans, open doors, cracks in the logs and beams letting air in, and not one bottle of starsan in sight. :D

The way I figure even just having some soap and water, basic 21st century hygiene, and a basic understanding of germ theory trumps how it was done from Gilgamesh's time through Louis Pasteure's....

In most places we don't have to even worry about boiling our water before drinking it. :D

Best advice I have for new brewers, If you brew from fear, you won't make great beer!

You might make drinkable beer, or you might make crap...but until your realize that your beer is much hardier than you think it is, you will find that this is much more enjoyable of a hobby.

But infection worry, It is NOT something we have to freak out about, like new brewers do...It's just something to be AWARE of and keep an eye out.

But it's kinda like when you have a brand new car, you park at the far end of the lot away from everyone else, you are paranoid about getting every little scratch on it...Then you are backing out of the garage and take off a mirror, or get a ding on the bumper, then you no-longer stress out about it, because you've popped the cars cherry...If you do pick up a bug, you just treat it and move on.

And the reason I have collected THESE stories is to counter the fear and fear mongering that often happens.

So rather than looking for infections under every bed or in every brew closet, focussing from fear on the negative, I think it's better to look at examples of just how hard it is to screw up our beer, how no matter what we can do to screw up, it still manages to turn out fine.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/wh...where-your-beer-still-turned-out-great-96780/

And there is a cushion of co2 protecting your beer, so unless you or a bird take a crap in your fermenter, opening it up to take hydrometer readings will not lead you to automatically have infections...

Just relax about infections, and enjoy brewing.

We've sunk body parts in our fermenters and still the beer has turned out great as the stories above illustrate- No matter how absolutely boneheaded we are, the beer usually get's the best of us and manages to survive...so there's no point in stressing out over every little mistake.

:mug:
 
But guys, the reason we stress sanitizing so much is so that we don't have infections. It's not to scare you, it's to prevent those things that should scare you.

This is something I've posted on here in several places, I recommend you print it off, and read it every night before you go to bed to prevent those brewing nightmares. ;)

Read this and relax;



We've sunk body parts in our fermenters and still the beer has turned out great as the stories above illustrate- No matter how absolutely boneheaded we are, the beer usually get's the best of us and manages to survive...so there's no point in stressing out over every little mistake.

:mug:

Thanks a lot Revvy, that was a great read!
 
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