It's not even about being nitpicky though. If you're going to make a blanket statement like that, you need facts, not conjecture, for it to hold any weight.
But you hadn't previously, nor had I said anything about it, so it came off as a strawman as you're making it sound like I wouldn't agree with it being brought up in a discussion of Black IPA/CDA/ISDA/etc. or something. I never said they didn't or shouldn't come up in discussion, or that people don't label their beers something other than Black IPA when they fit the general guidelines of the so called style (such as Victory), so I'm really struggling to see your point.
Obviously.
oh, ouch. i've been insulted by an internet troll.
howie said:i don't think he was the one being the troll.
I don't think he was the one being the troll.
I'm the tool? Haha. You're the one belittling your wife and attempting to patronize me over a simple premise... Stay classy.
By insulting your wife through comparison to me... Classy.actually, i was belittling you.
Oh, I understand it quite well.and yeah, i think you're the tool, the above ^comment^ not only shows that you don't understand analogy,
Yeah, that one was probably the wrong word choice, but I still haven't even read the paragraph past the wife sentence, so I was kind of winging it and guessing what the rest was about... Didn't seem a good use of my valuable time since it was straying from the topic at hand, paragraph be too wordybut the definition of the word 'patronize' as well.
That's nice? You might want to leave out the too part though.see, i too can nitpick and invalidate a point by saying it's not written to my standards.
nordeastbrewer77 said:right, that's how i do, total troll. I never contribute anything to the forums other than snide comments and '+1' regurgitation of other peoples posts. In fact, the pms i get on a daily basis asking for advice or input are mainly asking me how i so effectively troll hbt and for ideas on how they can one day master the art of trolling.
WELL... (as JZ likes to say)
I am currently reading Gordon Strong's Brew Better Beer, and among other controversial statements, he calls the style Black IPA quite a few times in the first chapter about styles. Looks like this one is fairly well wrapped up. Sorry "Cascadians".
WELL... (as JZ likes to say)
I am currently reading Gordon Strong's Brew Better Beer, and among other controversial statements, he calls the style Black IPA quite a few times in the first chapter about styles. Looks like this one is fairly well wrapped up. Sorry "Cascadians".
Are a significant number of people entering them into competitions yet? As the style has grown in the commercial world, I'd think so, but I haven't really seen too many of them placing in the catch all category it would be entered into I'd think.
I have noticed that very strange beers tends to win category 23. Overall, black IPA really isn't a "strange" beer, especially considering it is still "reinheitsgebot approved".
CDA will never happen because of the backlash it clearly would create. Conversing with the brewer/owner at Rock Art really opened my eyes to how contentious of an issue it was with professional brewers. Its one thing to name a style after its country of origin, but to use a made-up region to describe a beer that wasn't even invented there just because the local brewers and beer drinkers are the loudest ones yelling about it would really cause problems. How would the BJCP deal with other parts of the country refusing to use the name? And more importantly, since the BA has already decided, why would the BJCP use a different name? Remember, the BJCP is really just for hobbyists. The BA is commercially driven and far more important in the grand scheme of things. Based on Gordon's own comments, and the BA already calling it American Black Ale, I'm fairly confident that CDA is last on the list if even still being considered at all.
I think it's naive for anyone in general to claim they were the first to make a black IPA. The inconceivable notion that a single person was uniquely responsible for the creation of something with that simple of a combination, is ridiculous. We get people on these forums who believe that they have created something new, only to find that there is another person who has tried it or even that there is a commercial version of it. The odds of finding the actual creator, are as slim as finding the person who originated the Sandwich. I believe that instead of touting a brewery as the originator, we should be praising them on the merit their beer instead.
I just left Rock Art Brewery in Vermont.
I am jealous, I really enjoyed their beer a few years ago. I still have a bottle of Vermonster in the Cellar I should think about drinking.
Now enter the BIPA in category 23, and you're up against A chocolate caramel whiskey margarita vanilla pineapple porter (one beer) and other nonsense like that.
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