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Soooo Jermaine Jones is going to New England. And for some reason the allocation order means dick for him, even though the policy has been Yanks joining the league have to go through the order. MLS be MLSin'

From the article:
Jones, as a designated player of a certain threshold, was not subject to allocation ranking for dispersal to an MLS team. The Revolution and Fire expressed an interest in Jones, and had the available salary budget and a designated player slot to accommodate him. Following a blind draw between the two clubs, Jones was assigned to the Revolution.
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Reno_eNVy said:
Soooo Jermaine Jones is going to New England. And for some reason the allocation order means dick for him, even though the policy has been Yanks joining the league have to go through the order. MLS be MLSin'

From the article:
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See this is part of my frustration with MLS.

Apparently the fire lodged initial interest and were working on getting him over. Jones preferred Chicago. MLS get involved and have to run his name through the league. Revolution are interested and tick the requisite boxes. MLS tell Jones they can't guarantee a destination if multiple teams are interested. Jones balks because he wants to go to Chicago. MLS ups the ante and guarantees his salary at either destination provided he drops the demand to go to Chicago. Jones does and Revolution win the draw...

So the Fire wanted Jones and Jones wanted the Fire but because it's MLS he ends up in New England. Can anyone explain this to me?
 
aygov said:
See this is part of my frustration with MLS.

Apparently the fire lodged initial interest and were working on getting him over. Jones preferred Chicago. MLS get involved and have to run his name through the league. Revolution are interested and tick the requisite boxes. MLS tell Jones they can't guarantee a destination if multiple teams are interested. Jones balks because he wants to go to Chicago. MLS ups the ante and guarantees his salary at either destination provided he drops the demand to go to Chicago. Jones does and Revolution win the draw...

So the Fire wanted Jones and Jones wanted the Fire but because it's MLS he ends up in New England. Can anyone explain this to me?
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MLS be MLSin'

See:
- Donovan to LA (though I'm not complaining about that)
- The sudden shift to Yanks having to go through allocation order
- "Discovery Rights"
- The sudden shift to some Yanks having to go through allocation order
- "If you're going to join the league as an expansion team you must have a comprehensive stadium plan in place.... except you, NYCFC."
- etc.
- etc.
- etc.
- et al


Don't get me wrong, I love the league and sometimes I don't care that they fudge the rules (i.e. as stated above Landy to LA, as well as the DP rule) if it results in a better on-field product.
 
Wouldn't be an issue if the sport was open to new ideas. Something different might offend the 'true' constituency which they can't seem to separate from. Evolve already. You have the attention, now use it. May not be the best idea ever but ignoring primitive standards for the sake of fanfare is what makes american sports unique and popular/profitable
 
The committee on Equity and Balance has determined that if a player on one team gets injured, a player of roughly equal caliber on each of the other teams shall be injured. Tonya Harding will be in charge of this committee and her people will use the official, branded MLS baton to enact "treatment."
 
Reno_eNVy said:
MLS be MLSin'

See:
- Donovan to LA (though I'm not complaining about that)
- The sudden shift to Yanks having to go through allocation order
- "Discovery Rights"
- The sudden shift to some Yanks having to go through allocation order
- "If you're going to join the league as an expansion team you must have a comprehensive stadium plan in place.... except you, NYCFC."
- etc.
- etc.
- etc.
- et al


Don't get me wrong, I love the league and sometimes I don't care that they fudge the rules (i.e. as stated above Landy to LA, as well as the DP rule) if it results in a better on-field product.
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Yea, I like the league to, but involving an envelope draw in determining where a player lands doesn't project the greatest image of MLS. I mean, you already have salary caps and designated player spots in place. Why the need to try to level the transfer playing field further by running weird arbitrary schemes to place new designated players. If a team has the salary space and the DP spot available then that should be enough. If you have 2 teams with the salary and the DP spot available then it should be down to who can offer the player a better deal or who they'd prefer to join.
 
First off, so I don't hurt feelings, I enjoy watching some MLS games.
But I often feel like the policies of MLS are similar to playing soccer with my 3 year old son. Everyone gets a turn to score a goal, and if someone is having trouble scoring a goal, the goalie has to move out of the way.
 
Grannyknot said:
First off, so I don't hurt feelings, I enjoy watching some MLS games.
But I often feel like the policies of MLS are similar to playing soccer with my 3 year old son. Everyone gets a turn to score a goal, and if someone is having trouble scoring a goal, the goalie has to move out of the way.
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I think we're seeing policies still in place to protect teams and a league just trying to get on its feet that aren't necessarily needed anymore. The everyone gets a turn thing helps at the beginning to spread the wealth so you don't end up with some power teams while others whither and die on the vine.
 
aygov said:
Yea, I like the league to, but involving an envelope draw in determining where a player lands doesn't project the greatest image of MLS.
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If frozen envelopes are good enough for David Stern and Patrick Ewing, then they're good enough for Jermaine Jones and the MLS. I don't mind leagues trying to achieve parity or dynasties or whatever is good for the league. However, I do believe in the rule of law and in a minimum of rules, so just making things up as you go along offends me. Especially when it's for a soon-to-be 33-year-old holding midfielder.
 
I've just recently acquired Fox Sports 2, so I think I'm going to start following some of the Concacaf champions league.
Last night I watched NYRB vs. FAS. Have to say I was a bit surprised at how empty the stadium was.

Anyway, the CCL looks pretty interesting. I like the method of seeding for the knockout rounds.
It looks like scheduling & travel is a major conflict. Some teams have already played 3 games while another in the group has only played 1.

I love Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_CONCACAF_Champions_League
 
Grannyknot said:
First off, so I don't hurt feelings, I enjoy watching some MLS games.
But I often feel like the policies of MLS are similar to playing soccer with my 3 year old son. Everyone gets a turn to score a goal, and if someone is having trouble scoring a goal, the goalie has to move out of the way.
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aygov said:
I think we're seeing policies still in place to protect teams and a league just trying to get on its feet that aren't necessarily needed anymore. The everyone gets a turn thing helps at the beginning to spread the wealth so you don't end up with some power teams while others whither and die on the vine.
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I think the push for parity is still a necessity. At the very least, until we hit 24 teams and (likely) stay at that number for a while.

But changing USMNT allocation rules isn't a way to do it, IMMHO.
 
Reno_eNVy said:
I think the push for parity is still a necessity. At the very least, until we hit 24 teams and (likely) stay at that number for a while.

But changing USMNT allocation rules isn't a way to do it, IMMHO.
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sounds like communism to me comrade
 
Reno_eNVy said:
I think the push for parity is still a necessity. At the very least, until we hit 24 teams and (likely) stay at that number for a while.

But changing USMNT allocation rules isn't a way to do it, IMMHO.
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Seems like the league should set its salary cap/DP rules/international spots/whatever other roster rules it wants, and then get out of the way. Make everyone play under the same set of rules, but leave it up to the individual owners (or investment operators as I guess they actually are) to do what they want within those rules.
 
Please Arsenal has a midget midfield would take 2-3 of them to equal one yaya, even if he is a drama queen.

Flamini & Arteta are your defensive midfielders. :)
 
Hey don't forget to check out the final for the NSWL between Seattle and Kansas City.

It's on ESPN2 at 12 PT. It'll give you a chance to get familiar with a lot of players you'll see at the 2015 WWC. And I'm really hoping we get a women's league that sticks.
 
Reno_eNVy said:
Hey don't forget to check out the final for the NSWL between Seattle and Kansas City.

It's on ESPN2 at 12 PT. It'll give you a chance to get familiar with a lot of players you'll see at the 2015 WWC. And I'm really hoping we get a women's league that sticks.
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Would be nice to have it stick. I went to a few games of Sky Blue when I was in New Brunswick as they were right up the road. Also didn't hurt they had Kelley O'Hara. Wooo ginger.
 
I'm just hoping every club gets a fan base even close to that of the Portland Thorns. Girls growing up playing soccer need something to strive towards. If done right (MLS partnerships would help, IMMHO), NWSL could take off.
 
This is pretty awesome watch it after 3-5 home brews



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The LA vs Colorado match last night was really interesting to watch in a few ways.

1) The tribute to Luca DeLaGarza, AJ's newborn son who had been struggling and passed on Thursday. Before the match was the moment of silence, but when the clock read 20:00 (AJ is #20) the entire stadium erupted into applause and there were signs and banners everywhere. I'm sure any DLG family watching were very appreciative.

2) Nasco, Colorado's new keeper, broke the record for fastest red card in league history at 34 seconds. The interesting thing about him is that this was his second shot at a professional career, having previously been cut from USL a few years back. He had been working as a Georgia Sheriffs Deputy before trying to restart his soccer career. He seemed almost in tears as he was escorted off the field. Broke my heart. I mean, it was a legit red, but I hope it doesn't hurt his career moving forward.

3) Due to the Rapids playing the ENTIRE match a man down, LA completely destroyed them. That being said, a couple of the goals were quite pretty. Husidic had a couple goals on beautiful placement and Gyasi Zardes looked like he was just out having fun wrecking the Rapids defense.


On that note, USMNT fans (especially those that don't watch MLS).... remember the name Gyasi Zardes. Mark my words he will be a big producer for the Yanks soon enough. IMMHO, he is Altidore with more speed and better finishing.
 
Reno_eNVy said:
The LA vs Colorado match last night was really interesting...
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I agree on all points, except the comparison of Zardes to Jozy. Granted, this is the first time that I remember seeing him play, but I think that he is a different kind of player. Zardes reminded me more of Omar Cummings, from say 2010, but a little faster. I don't see Zardes as a post-up kind of guy. He has the height and might grow into that kind of build, but I think that he needs to receive the ball while facing goal.
 
botigol said:
I agree on all points, except the comparison of Zardes to Jozy. Granted, this is the first time that I remember seeing him play, but I think that he is a different kind of player. Zardes reminded me more of Omar Cummings, from say 2010, but a little faster. I don't see Zardes as a post-up kind of guy. He has the height and might grow into that kind of build, but I think that he needs to receive the ball while facing goal.
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Fair enough :mug: That is a very good assessment. Either way, he's a fun player to watch.
 
Yeah, as much as I hated seeing it against my Rapids, he shows signs of dynamic play and as they say, "You can't teach speed." I think that given a little development and experience against tougher competition, he will leave some world-class defenders in the dust. So...imagine Altidore and Zardes up top together. If they were to work together, that should be a significant attack. Jozy holding the ball up and dropping to Zardes or Zardes drawing defenders, just to dump the ball off to Jozy in front of goal.
 
botigol said:
Yeah, as much as I hated seeing it against my Rapids, he shows signs of dynamic play and as they say, "You can't teach speed." I think that given a little development and experience against tougher competition, he will leave some world-class defenders in the dust. So...imagine Altidore and Zardes up top together. If they were to work together, that should be a significant attack. Jozy holding the ball up and dropping to Zardes or Zardes drawing defenders, just to dump the ball off to Jozy in front of goal.
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That pairing, considering Zardes keeps developing like he has, could be incredibly dangerous!
 
Reno_eNVy said:
That pairing, considering Zardes keeps developing like he has, could be incredibly dangerous!
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I tend not to get overly excited about US strikers. Jozy has been a "disappointment" and he's arguably off to the best start of any US striker of all time. I think the best future prospect is Green behind Jozy or maybe the 3 forward front they deployed last match. Gyau certainly has potential.
 
hoppyhoppyhippo said:
I tend not to get overly excited about US strikers. Jozy has been a "disappointment" and he's arguably off to the best start of any US striker of all time. I think the best future prospect is Green behind Jozy or maybe the 3 forward front they deployed last match. Gyau certainly has potential.
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Apparently Jordan Morris looked quite good when he was practicing with the US team in their WC warm-ups, so I'm real curious to see him. Was hoping he'd get at least a little time in the Czech game. Ah well.

In general, its good to not get overly excited about anyone until they've proven they can do it at the professional or international level. All the potential and talent in the world doesn't matter if you can't get it done when it counts.
 
Lets see if Arsenal can beat Man City's first team.

Emmanuel Adebayor after a few Arsenal fans sang about his mother being a whore and his father washing elephants

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7657Hb27K4c[/ame]

Hopefully we win :)
 
hopstupid said:
Emmanuel Adebayor after a few Arsenal fans sang about his mother being a whore and his father washing elephants
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Jesus.... the YSA chant here in the states has been made into a huge ordeal, all the while supporter groups in other leagues (especially Poland and Ukraine) are basically being terrible people.
 
And F***************K, Seattle won. That's going to make overcoming them for the Supporters Shield much harder for the G's.

Damnit, RSL.... you're arguably the most consistent club in the last five years. I was really hoping you'd at least get out of there with a point...
 
Reno_eNVy said:
And F***************K, Seattle won. That's going to make overcoming them for the Supporters Shield much harder for the G's.

Damnit, RSL.... you're arguably the most consistent club in the last five years. I was really hoping you'd at least get out of there with a point...
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Settle down, it's soccer. :)
 
Reno_eNVy said:
Jesus.... the YSA chant here in the states has been made into a huge ordeal, all the while supporter groups in other leagues (especially Poland and Ukraine) are basically being terrible people.
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I mean the YSA thing really was a reaction/retaliation to the Mexican chanting Anti-Gay slur during goal kicks. Which still never has been punished or addressed by FIFA. Yes YSA has been.
 
HoppyDaze said:
Settle down, it's soccer. :)
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It being soccer is exactly why I can't settle down. Maybe put on some NFL and I'll settle... myself in another room. :D

hoppyhoppyhippo said:
I mean the YSA thing really was a reaction/retaliation to the Mexican chanting Anti-Gay slur during goal kicks. Which still never has been punished or addressed by FIFA. Yes YSA has been.
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Well, that does seem like FIFA: make a focus on addressing something far more harmless than gay bashing, xenophobia, racism, Antisemitism, and sexism.

Hell, the last one is supported by FIFA, a la Blatter thinking female players need shorter shorts (think volleyball.)
 
Arsenal v Man city was a good game though disappointed Arsenal gave up that late goal of course ... I am liking this Welbeck/Alexis combo up front, lot of potential for sure


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