Tried the Fold-A-Carrier design a few decades ago. Contrary to Bobby M's assessments I had already made hundreds of cases before the lad was even born. Thing is, the technology, processes and even the use of ingredients have changed considerably. Seems there is far more emphasis upon the techno aspects today both in terms of the processes and the hardware. Actually, I wasn't even seeking to "debate" so much as to have some thoughtful, respectful discussion and brainstorming. Trouble with the bag back then was that the flexibility of the walls could lead to agitation and the starting of residuals fermenting a bit so that the bag can become round or blow. As for "second ever batch, acclimation, and "troll" talk, simply didn't realize I was entering such elite space. I brew and enjoy good beers, have made virtually every possible variety, have travelled the world in search of great flavors and do it for the simple enjoyment and relaxation. Technique wise, back in the early 70s, things may have been a bit less refined, but then I believe folks who created those very great brew styles you enjoy were also perhaps a bit less "refined". If anything, I have found that just like in the wine field where for years the "BIG" wines dictated a taste akin to chewing oak before the pendulum returned to one of balance, many of today's microbrewed beers have so much hops and such complex menus, often with high alcohol and flavorings for the sake of novelty, that they are a long way from being what their names purport. Good news. Bad news. Who knows? Bless you all.