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LVBen
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Maybe he was just telling you that it was good because he needed help getting rid of it and didn't want to feel the shame of pouring it down the drain!
Next time, try one of these lines:
"This is slightly better than Coors Light!"
"There is a really good beer in here underneath all of the flaws."
"This is the type of beer that would go great with a lime and some salt!"
Next time, try one of these lines:
"This is slightly better than Coors Light!"
"There is a really good beer in here underneath all of the flaws."
"This is the type of beer that would go great with a lime and some salt!"
Just1pepsi
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I dunno man, going on the internet to badmouth a "friend" is pretty weak in my opinion.
Why not just tell him straight up that its not your thing. If he likes it, and it really is terrible, what do you care anyway? Honestly, you sound like a cackling hen coming on here with this. My opinion? Go gossip about it behind his back with your wife/girlfriend and her friends, it would probably get you the confirmation of your superiority over your "friend" that you're looking for. Not meant as an insult, just real talk, and my opinion on the matter.
Why not just tell him straight up that its not your thing. If he likes it, and it really is terrible, what do you care anyway? Honestly, you sound like a cackling hen coming on here with this. My opinion? Go gossip about it behind his back with your wife/girlfriend and her friends, it would probably get you the confirmation of your superiority over your "friend" that you're looking for. Not meant as an insult, just real talk, and my opinion on the matter.
You were right to not say anything at the party, but a good friend should be able to tell him later. I would say way after he has finished it all off.
I know this wont help you now but I have told all my friends, if my beer sucks:
Tell me it sucks.
If it is not to your taste tell me, and tell me what you would have preferred, or what I might be able to change.
I know this wont help you now but I have told all my friends, if my beer sucks:
Tell me it sucks.
If it is not to your taste tell me, and tell me what you would have preferred, or what I might be able to change.
TheBrewAbides
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If his beer was that sour where you couldn't even drink it, something is definitely wrong. It's not like the beer had a slight butterscotch taste from diacetyl or was a little astringent. The beer was so bad you couldn't drink it. I have had some bad beers (commercial) and could at least drink the bottle.
I would have said something then even at the party but my friends wouldn't care. I'm proud of every beer I make (obviously unless it tastes like your friends lol) but if someone thinks my beer sucks, they think it sucks. I have liked all my beers. Maybe they haven't been the best beers but I liked them. If my friends don't like it, more for me.
This time around, forget about it. You told him you liked it so leave it be. If his next batch tastes this bad, tell him right as you taste it. If your friend is sensitive you can say something like "This bottle of beer tastes a little sour, maybe it was infected". If he tastes it and still likes it, well your friend might like sour beers. If he gets all pissy because you said his beer is sour, get new friends lol
I would have said something then even at the party but my friends wouldn't care. I'm proud of every beer I make (obviously unless it tastes like your friends lol) but if someone thinks my beer sucks, they think it sucks. I have liked all my beers. Maybe they haven't been the best beers but I liked them. If my friends don't like it, more for me.
This time around, forget about it. You told him you liked it so leave it be. If his next batch tastes this bad, tell him right as you taste it. If your friend is sensitive you can say something like "This bottle of beer tastes a little sour, maybe it was infected". If he tastes it and still likes it, well your friend might like sour beers. If he gets all pissy because you said his beer is sour, get new friends lol
I like that approach, ease in gently by not saying all his beer is bad just this one bottle... oh wait this one too... and this one... maybe you have an issue with this batch... oh wait this is coming out in those other batches too... I wonder if you have something wrong going on, hmm....
troub said:
Heh... reminds me of a couple weeks ago, when I stopped over at my uncle's for a night at the halfway point of a long drive.
Now, I don't get to see much family very often, and this is the only one out of dozens that I know drinks decent beer. He's not a beer GEEK, but he often drinks various English bitters, or maybe a Unibroue offering (ie Belgian abbey-style).
When everybody goes to have a beer, he takes me to his beer fridge to show me what he's got, and tells me he has a new favorite beer. It's a stout from a microbrewery or brewpub I've never heard of before, and don't even recall. So I say sure, I'll try that then.
Man... it would have actually been a decent stout if it didn't taste like plastic. Not burnt plastic, just plastic... I imagine it's what others refer to as BandAid. It wasn't even his beer (he only makes wine), and I still felt kind of forced to drink the entire thing. I didn't feel at all comfortable dumping it or telling him it had a major issue, because he just called it his *favorite*. And unlike if he HAD made it, there's really nothing constructive about criticizing the beer so harshly... it would only be insulting his personal taste.
But I think any brewer should learn to be comfortable with criticism, and I really think you should give it to him in private. Encourage him to enter the competition anyways though, as it won't really hurt, and it will provide some helpful feedback that might not even be in agreement with you. At that point, you can review the scoresheet and go through his recipe and process to work out any issues.
Haha my thoughts exactly. Maybe he just doesn't know the batch isn't supposed to taste sour. If he likes sour beers, then he wouldn't think it tasted bad. If you tell him that bottle taste sour and have him taste it, he realizes it tastes like the other bottles he drank then maybe he will get the fact that it shouldn't taste sour and something is wrong. If he still thinks it tastes good then you may want to have him see a specialist because his taste buds are all screwed up.
You can always grab a few (ideally varying) GOOD commercial or even homebrew examples of the style, and have him try them side-by-side with his own brew. With a fresh reminder of what good Oktoberfests taste like, as well as a better idea of how they can vary appropriately, it will be much harder for him to miss or ignore the problems.
lazarus0530
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LVBen said:
I like that!
lazarus0530
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I think it's weak that he served me his swill ... Just looking for a response on how everyone else would do it. Plus no one knows him Its just between us.Just1pepsi said:
lazarus0530
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I told him tonight in private ... Now at the time I wish I didn't he told me I was wrong so he asked his wife and she told him it wasn't her thing... She was lie'n to she knew it was bad and he knew she knew it was bad. Now it caused a lil fight where he called me the " beer fairy who thinks everyone else's beer suck" . I told him I would him and at first he told me " to f#%* off" so I went to my truck and grabbed a case of sam Adams October fest .
I told him to taste this compared to his. After about 5 a piece he got it. We nailed what he did wrong. He was cleaning his carboys with just water afraid that cleaning them with star-San would hurt the beer. And he add'd pumpkin spice to it. But he still dosnt want my help. To much drama for me.
he told me I was wrong so he asked his wife and she told him it wasn't her thing... She was lie'n to she knew it was bad and he knew she knew it was bad. Now it caused a lil fight where he called me the " beer fairy who thinks everyone else's beer suck" . I told him I would him and at first he told me " to f#%* off" so I went to my truck and grabbed a case of sam Adams October fest . I told him to taste this compared to his. After about 5 a piece he got it. We nailed what he did wrong. He was cleaning his carboys with just water afraid that cleaning them with star-San would hurt the beer. And he add'd pumpkin spice to it. But he still dosnt want my help. To much drama for me.
I told him tonight in private ... Now at the time I wish I didn't
I told him to taste this compared to his. After about 5 a piece he got it. We nailed what he did wrong. He was cleaning his carboys with just water afraid that cleaning them with star-San would hurt the beer. And he add'd pumpkin spice to it. But he still dosnt want my help. To much drama for me.
Wow, his water must really suck. I have heard of people not sanitising at all and not getting an infection! I am surprised you went back with the case. You are the bigger man, good work on helping another brewer out
Bradinator
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Wow, his water must really suck. I have heard of people not sanitising at all and not getting an infection! I am surprised you went back with the case. You are the bigger man, good work on helping another brewer out
+1. You are the bigger man for offering advice and help and he is the smaller for not accepting it.
Jeez just tell they guy his beer tastes infected and tastes like crap and then ask where his cat is so you could lick its a** to get the taste out of your mouth loud enough so everyone will hear you.
You can also tell him that the yeast in his beer is good for his septic system and you will be the first to help him keep the cesspool guy away saving him some money.
You can also tell him that the yeast in his beer is good for his septic system and you will be the first to help him keep the cesspool guy away saving him some money.
lazarus0530
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ohill1981 said:
No man it was bad... Even his own wife said so
lazarus0530
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NYBrewguy said:
Lmao ! He txt'd me this morning and said he was sorry. And he wants my help helping him out.
I told him tonight in private ... Now at the time I wish I didn't
I told him to taste this compared to his. After about 5 a piece he got it. We nailed what he did wrong. He was cleaning his carboys with just water afraid that cleaning them with star-San would hurt the beer. And he add'd pumpkin spice to it. But he still dosnt want my help. To much drama for me.
Awww, You killed a good thread.
Bernie Brewer
Grouchy Old Fart
Give him some time to stew over it for a while. Once/if he tries your suggestions,he may come around & things'll get back on track.
Sounds about right. He got his feelings hurt and got defensive. It's natural.
Now that he's calmed down he wants to make better beer. I think that's more honorable than giving up anyway.
lazarus0530
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RoadKing said:
Sorry. I was taking to much heat.
Just like Laz in Black Snake Moan. But I think we all agree you did the right thing. Better to be honest then let him live with something that's wrong. That's what friends do. it happens,somebody has to deal with it,& who ya gunna call?
lazarus0530
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unionrdr said:Just like Laz in Black Snake Moan. But I think we all agree you did the right thing. Better to be honest then let him live with something that's wrong. That's what friends do. it happens,somebody has to deal with it,& who ya gunna call?
Now he wants to make a chocolate stout ohhhhh boy
What,no chili peppers? WTF?...Guess he called you. Just do the best you can,can't fault you for that.
Just a gentle double-check that you know not to clean with Star San, but sanitize with it - clean with water, or soap and water, or pbw, or oxyclean.
GoldMiner
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A pale ale would be better to learn from.
rycov
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you could always do both. let him do the chocolate stout, and also suggest a pale or something so you guys can really tell if you get off flavors and what they are. and then he can still brew his stout and be happy. in the end its more brewing, and i think thats what we all want
lazarus0530
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Pappers_ said:
Your right.
lazarus0530
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unionrdr said:
I told him "hey maybe a cream ale..." nope! Right to the stout . I never did a stout and that's why he wants to do it.
This what I'm dealing with people.
Well, a stout is much easier than a cream ale and much more forgiving of off-flavors so that's a good thing!
I see what you mean, but you have to be honest with friends.
Lazarus my friend, try reading one of your posts side by side with almost any of the other people on this thread. Maybe write, then go back and read it before hitting the submit button.
And also; to, too, and two are all words that sound the same but have different meanings. It is disrespectful to expect everyone to try to figure out what you mean when you can't even use the correct form. Our friendship means a lot to me. Enough to want to keep you from sounding like you were homeschooled in Mississippi. Love you Bro.
He will have a better time with the stout. They are one of the easier beers to brew.
Sanitation
Ferm temp
Pitching rate.
It's not hard.
Also, check to see if he has bleach at ANY point in his brewing, including chlorine or chloramine in his water!
Sanitation
Ferm temp
Pitching rate.
It's not hard.
Also, check to see if he has bleach at ANY point in his brewing, including chlorine or chloramine in his water!
lazarus0530
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lou2row said:I see what you mean, but you have to be honest with friends.
Lazarus my friend, try reading one of your posts side by side with almost any of the other people on this thread. Maybe write, then go back and read it before hitting the submit button.
And also; to, too, and two are all words that sound the same but have different meanings. It is disrespectful to expect everyone to try to figure out what you mean when you can't even use the correct form. Our friendship means a lot to me. Enough to want to keep you from sounding like you were homeschooled in Mississippi. Love you Bro.
Lmao your right! But most of the time im in using my phone.
