New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[HOPME]

Anythings possible obviously, but that's a very high attenuation.

 

[plazola86]

The grain bill is what makes the mouth feel IMHO, not water or anything after. Just did my first try at this. Mash 150, OG 1.057 finished at 1.010. It still has as much or even more mouthfeel as a golden stout I brewed a week before. Mash 154, OG 1.063 finished at 1.018. Tasting both about the same time.

 

[Braufessor]

So I have a question. My fermentation is done but I'm curious as to why my final gravity is so low?? Everyone else seems to be ending at 1.013ish, and mine ended at 1.005 which is way lower than I wanted. I only used one pack of 1318 yeast and made a 1liter starter which was technically under pitching by a small amount according to the yeast calculators. I feel like that low of a final gravity takes away from the sweetness and dries it out way to much. My starting gravity was dead on at 1.062

I don't use 1318 that often.... but that does seem low. I honestly think the only beers I have ever brewed that got down to 1.005 are Saisons. I guess the number one thing is "how does it taste?"

Some possible candidates....

*#1 is always operator error - are you sure your gravity reading was correct? Did you use a hydrometer - is it accurate? Was sample uncarbonated? Refractometer? They don't measure correctly when alcohol is in finished beer.

*Low mash temps.... but, I would think you would need to be down in the 145 range at least Are you sure mash temp was even and held throughout mash?

*Infection.... Something else is in there eating what would normally be unfermentable by yeast. (How does it taste?)

*Fermentation temps... I suppose if you were on the high side the yeast might get away from you and take it down that far.

*The yeast simply did more than anticipated.

I think those would be the areas I would consider.

 

[Oldskewl]

My OG was also 1.062 but finished at 1.016 with using 1318. A FG of 1.005 seems extremely low for that strain.

Did you use yeast nutrient? Was the yeast a fresh vial or washed/repitched?

 

[HObrew]

Attempting 2 5 gallon batches tomorrow. One with all citra/ the other with all mosaic for dry hops. My first batch tastes great but the brother in law tossed in a whole oz of warrior instead of .75oz so now that the aroma hops are mellowing, the bitterness is cutting through. We are going to try a 60 minute addition of "bitter bite" hop shot 5 ML =50 IBUs. Just a hair under the 58 IBUs that .75 oz warrior contributes.

I am following the grain bill percentages in post #1418 to a tee but will aim for an OG of 1.068-1.070

The LHBS was completely out of 1318 and conan so they recommended white labs 011 so I started 2 packets of that.


Any prediction on how white labs 011 will act on my batches?

 

[nnfdcane]

So I have my batch fermenting right now, was planning on cold crashing before I keg. Fermenting in a big mouth bubbler with a rubber stop on top with my 3 piece airlock. My stopper fits pretty snug and works fine for fermenting but I can fairly easily push my stopper right though the top down into my beer with a little bit of pressure. Should I worry about it being sucked down into my beer while cold crashing? Should I remove lid and cover with sanitized foil? Skip crashing all together?

Used recipe from OP with A38 Juice yeast. Fermenting like crazy after 2 days!

 

[TBillionaire]

What temp do you cold crash at? If you hit it with fridge temps you will most likely push it into the beer.

 

[kevink]

So I have my batch fermenting right now, was planning on cold crashing before I keg. Fermenting in a big mouth bubbler with a rubber stop on top with my 3 piece airlock. My stopper fits pretty snug and works fine for fermenting but I can fairly easily push my stopper right though the top down into my beer with a little bit of pressure. Should I worry about it being sucked down into my beer while cold crashing? Should I remove lid and cover with sanitized foil? Skip crashing all together?

Used recipe from OP with A38 Juice yeast. Fermenting like crazy after 2 days!

I wouldn't risk crashing unless you have a way of injecting CO2 (instead of air) during the crash. If you brew these beers often, it's worth it to get that part of the equation sorted out. If you don't want to go through with that, just keg it and put it on the gas. It will crash in your keg and the contracting liquid will pull in CO2 instead of air. Don't forget to completely purge your keg of all air and fill it through the dip tube. Open the pressure relief valve during racking. No need to remove the lid.

 

[nnfdcane]

Thanks guys, looks like I'll just skip cold crashing for now. I'm fairly new to home brewing and this will be my first time ever kegging. I'll have to look more into filling through the dip tube. Will that require any extra equipment?

 

[anteater8]

Drinking my 6th iteration of this beer now - following the original recipe exactly but using Imperial A20 Citrus (sacch trois) at 72 degrees. I brewed with this yeast at that temperature to see what I could do while my fermentation chamber was full. I was skeptical at first because the first few samples tasted overwhelmingly belgian-y, but after a week in the keg this beer is delicious! FG was 1.010 so its just slightly drier than other batches, but still a pretty good body. The belgian-y flavor really mellowed out and kind of turned into a bubblegum sweetness that melds with the fruity hops. It is also noticeably lighter in color and a bit hazier than when I've used 1318 or Conan.

Here's a running tab of the hop combos I've tried so far, roughly ranked best to worst. All have been really fantastic though.

Citra/Mosaic/Galaxy
Citra/Equinox
100% Citra
Citra/Mosaic/Simcoe/Columbus
100% Nelson

 

[Braufessor]

Drinking my 6th iteration of this beer now - following the original recipe exactly but using Imperial A20 Citrus (sacch trois) at 72 degrees. I brewed with this yeast at that temperature to see what I could do while my fermentation chamber was full. I was skeptical at first because the first few samples tasted overwhelmingly belgian-y, but after a week in the keg this beer is delicious! FG was 1.010 so its just slightly drier than other batches, but still a pretty good body. The belgian-y flavor really mellowed out and kind of turned into a bubblegum sweetness that melds with the fruity hops. It is also noticeably lighter in color and a bit hazier than when I've used 1318 or Conan.

Here's a running tab of the hop combos I've tried so far, roughly ranked best to worst. All have been really fantastic though.

Citra/Mosaic/Galaxy
Citra/Equinox
100% Citra
Citra/Mosaic/Simcoe/Columbus
100% Nelson

That looks great. I am brewing one with Funk Weapon #2 next weekend. Very curious to see how it comes out. Also brewing a Hoppy Saison that day too.

 

[Desertbrewer]

Drinking my 6th iteration of this beer now - following the original recipe exactly but using Imperial A20 Citrus (sacch trois) at 72 degrees. I brewed with this yeast at that temperature to see what I could do while my fermentation chamber was full. I was skeptical at first because the first few samples tasted overwhelmingly belgian-y, but after a week in the keg this beer is delicious! FG was 1.010 so its just slightly drier than other batches, but still a pretty good body. The belgian-y flavor really mellowed out and kind of turned into a bubblegum sweetness that melds with the fruity hops. It is also noticeably lighter in color and a bit hazier than when I've used 1318 or Conan.

Here's a running tab of the hop combos I've tried so far, roughly ranked best to worst. All have been really fantastic though.

Citra/Mosaic/Galaxy
Citra/Equinox
100% Citra
Citra/Mosaic/Simcoe/Columbus
100% Nelson

Looks bomb. Really interested in trying that yeast; I just had a NEIPA from Modern Times here in socal called Golden Pineapple where they used London III and sacc trois and it was great. Had that bubblegum thing you're talking about. Have you tried the Imperial "Juice' blend? Wonder what temp would be good for that one.

Also liked hearing that you enjoy Equinox; I feel like it has a lot of haters but right now it's one of my favorite hops I've used to date, especially in these dank styles. Super fruity/citrusy.

 

[anteater8]

Looks bomb. Really interested in trying that yeast; I just had a NEIPA from Modern Times here in socal called Golden Pineapple where they used London III and sacc trois and it was great. Had that bubblegum thing you're talking about. Have you tried the Imperial "Juice' blend? Wonder what temp would be good for that one.

Also liked hearing that you enjoy Equinox; I feel like it has a lot of haters but right now it's one of my favorite hops I've used to date, especially in these dank styles. Super fruity/citrusy.

I haven't tried Imperial Juice, which is their version of 1318... but I think you might be thinking of Imperial Dry Hop which is a blend of Citrus (Trois) and Barbarian (Conan). Not sure how fermenting above 70 with either of those would go. It will be interesting to try Citrus at room temp again this summer, when it could get up near the 80's.

I was a bit skeptical about Equinox, but it was great 1:1 with Citra. The citrus, particularly lime, really stuck out to me. Almost like a margarita IPA (in a good way). No green pepper, which I've heard some others report.

 

[brewski09]

Any noted problems with the NE style in competitions? Knocked down on appearance if cloudy from bottle?

Depends on the judge but oh yeah, lots ding it for appearance at least 1 point (3pt section) but a lot will penalize you in other ways too. Just make sure it's not yeasty or you'll get a terrible score and don't get offended when people score poorly when it's a good beer. I had someone score a beer terribly and tell me they didn't like bitter beers, kinda funny if you ask me. The other guy said he'd drink a pint of it and was a pro brewer.

 

[elbinwyp]

Drinking my 6th iteration of this beer now - following the original recipe exactly but using Imperial A20 Citrus (sacch trois) at 72 degrees. I brewed with this yeast at that temperature to see what I could do while my fermentation chamber was full. I was skeptical at first because the first few samples tasted overwhelmingly belgian-y, but after a week in the keg this beer is delicious! FG was 1.010 so its just slightly drier than other batches, but still a pretty good body. The belgian-y flavor really mellowed out and kind of turned into a bubblegum sweetness that melds with the fruity hops. It is also noticeably lighter in color and a bit hazier than when I've used 1318 or Conan.

Here's a running tab of the hop combos I've tried so far, roughly ranked best to worst. All have been really fantastic though.

Citra/Mosaic/Galaxy
Citra/Equinox
100% Citra
Citra/Mosaic/Simcoe/Columbus
100% Nelson

Are you using 1:1 on your citra/equinox? I have a pound of equinox that I have been scared to use in large dry hop quantities due to some folks saying it can be harsh.

 

[hopbrad]

I wouldn't risk crashing unless you have a way of injecting CO2 (instead of air) during the crash. If you brew these beers often, it's worth it to get that part of the equation sorted out. If you don't want to go through with that, just keg it and put it on the gas. It will crash in your keg and the contracting liquid will pull in CO2 instead of air. Don't forget to completely purge your keg of all air and fill it through the dip tube. Open the pressure relief valve during racking. No need to remove the lid.

how do you inject co2 during a cold crash in a fermenter?

 

[BrewinSoldier]

what is the mash temp? do you use a mashout? does the wort cool down and sit before heating in the kettle for the main boil?

I had it at 152-153 on my Grainfather. I don't use a mashout, I just sparge with 168° water.

Mash temp? Most ppl seem to be around 154-156 for this style

152-153

I don't use 1318 that often.... but that does seem low. I honestly think the only beers I have ever brewed that got down to 1.005 are Saisons. I guess the number one thing is "how does it taste?"

It taste pretty good, but I don't taste very much sweetness to it. I think it fermented out to low for that.

Some possible candidates....

*#1 is always operator error - are you sure your gravity reading was correct? Did you use a hydrometer - is it accurate? Was sample uncarbonated? Refractometer? They don't measure correctly when alcohol is in finished beer.
I use a digital refractometer as well as my hydrometer. I pull a sample, pet it sit an hour, and then test. With the refractometer, I use a calculator and it's always dead on with my hydrometer. I always do my final gravity readings before I cold crash or keg.
*Low mash temps.... but, I would think you would need to be down in the 145 range at least Are you sure mash temp was even and held throughout mash?
That I'm not 100% on. I had some problems with all of the flaked grains wanting to give me a very slow sparge, but I caught it right away and started added rice hulls, and stirred. I think I did this two or three times until I felt there were enough rice hulls and it was flowing good enough. I did still hit my SG number right on the dot, so I think the mash was OK.

*Infection.... Something else is in there eating what would normally be unfermentable by yeast. (How does it taste?)
I'm pretty impeccable with my sanitation methods. I don't taste any type of infection.

*Fermentation temps... I suppose if you were on the high side the yeast might get away from you and take it down that far.

I think I started at 63, then to 65, then to 68 and finish it off at 70.

*The yeast simply did more than anticipated.

I'm thinking this is the most likely culprit. Next batch I won't make a starter and see where I end up.

I think those would be the areas I would consider.

Did you use yeast nutrient? Was the yeast a fresh vial or washed/repitched?

It was fresh yeast, I think 16-18 days old. It was a fresh pack from my LHBS of Wyeast 1318.

 

[BrewinSoldier]

how do you inject co2 during a cold crash in a fermenter?

I have a pretty trick setup for mine that I came up with. I figured it out after the first few times of cold crashing with glycol in my Ssbrewtech fermenters.

If you are fermenting in a keg, it's easy. Just take the blow-off line off and hook up your gas line to the keg with a few psi, unless you want to carb it before transferring, then you can bump it up to 10 or so. When you cold crash, the liquid contracts, and instead of blowing out, it sucks in. If you try cold crashing with your blow-off still in your sanitizing bucket, you will suck it all into your beer..They say it's OK to still drink it, but for me no thanks.

So with a conical fermenter, I rigged up a cask breather with two outlets so that I can use it on two conicals at a time. It's all on quick disconnects so I basically hook up my co2 tank to it, with my regulator set at 8-10psi. The cask breather regulates it so that the fermenter won't suck in anything but co2, and only AS NEEDED from the cask breather as the liquid is contracting, so it won't carbonate or overpressurise my conical.

I'm sure there are other ways of doing this but I think the easiest and cheapest way would be a keg if that's what you already have and are fermenting in.

 

[milldoggy]

I have a pretty trick setup for mine that I came up with. I figured it out after the first few times of cold crashing with glycol in my Ssbrewtech fermenters.

If you are fermenting in a keg, it's easy. Just take the blow-off line off and hook up your gas line to the keg with a few psi, unless you want to carb it before transferring, then you can bump it up to 10 or so. When you cold crash, the liquid contracts, and instead of blowing out, it sucks in. If you try cold crashing with your blow-off still in your sanitizing bucket, you will suck it all into your beer..They say it's OK to still drink it, but for me no thanks.

So with a conical fermenter, I rigged up a cask breather with two outlets so that I can use it on two conicals at a time. It's all on quick disconnects so I basically hook up my co2 tank to it, with my regulator set at 8-10psi. The cask breather regulates it so that the fermenter won't suck in anything but co2, and only AS NEEDED from the cask breather as the liquid is contracting, so it won't carbonate or overpressurise my conical.

I'm sure there are other ways of doing this but I think the easiest and cheapest way would be a keg if that's what you already have and are fermenting in.

Which cask breather do you use, can you post a pic, pretty interested.

 

[anteater8]

Are you using 1:1 on your citra/equinox? I have a pound of equinox that I have been scared to use in large dry hop quantities due to some folks saying it can be harsh.

Yep, 1:1 Citra/Equinox for all four additions. Tastes like a more lime, papaya forward version of 100% Citra. After trying it, I wouldn't hesitate to layer Equinox in with other super fruit hops like Galaxy.

 

[jammin]

I'll never use Equinox again. The risk is not worth the reward. I wouldn't be surprised if they renamed it due to its terrible reputation

 

[BrewinSoldier]

Which cask breather do you use, can you post a pic, pretty interested.

Here is some of my setup. This is the cask breather. Everything I have co2 related is on quick disconnects so I can easily change out between things. Basically, I have the silicone blow-off tubing with a QD so I can change out between the actual blow-off piece, the cask breather, or hook my co2 tank directly up to it(QD on the co2 tank as well with tubing from the regulator) so I can blow out the oxygen after adding hops. You can see on the top of the 3" tri clamp there is a PRV which I use to purge the oxygen with co2. I just pull it up every few seconds.

The way the cask breather is hooked up is basically co2 tank QD, straight into inlet on cask breather QD, and then one of the outlets from cask breather QD to the QD on the blow-off tube QD. I set my PSI to around 8 on the regulator.

 

[BrewinSoldier]

One other question with these NEIPA styles. Are you guys who keg letting them sit a few weeks before drinking them? Do they get a little better with age or diminish? I just added the final dry hop tonight which I'll leave for 2-3 days, then 2 days of cold crashing, then 3 days to carbonate. Just curious if these things are just as good to drink fresh or if they come out green and need a little time in the keg?

 

[JoeMamasIPA]

One other question with these NEIPA styles. Are you guys who keg letting them sit a few weeks before drinking them? Do they get a little better with age or diminish? I just added the final dry hop tonight which I'll leave for 2-3 days, then 2 days of cold crashing, then 3 days to carbonate. Just curious if these things are just as good to drink fresh or if they come out green and need a little time in the keg?

Depends on hops and yeast used. Citra/mosaic/simcoe are usually ready to drink right away. Galaxy/CTZ/danker hops usually need some time, about the time to carbonate. They definitely settle in after a couple weeks but have the most hop punch immediately. For yeast 007 seems to drop the fastest, followed by conan and 1318 being the slowest.

 

[kevink]

how do you inject co2 during a cold crash in a fermenter?

Here you go. For $12, you can't beat it.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?p=7434942#post7434942

 

[Torrefaction]

Probably a stupid question: what is the advantage to cold crashing with this style (as opposed to skipping the cold crash)?

 

[olotti]

Probably a stupid question: what is the advantage to cold crashing with this style (as opposed to skipping the cold crash)?

Quickly. It drops most of the yeast and the dry hop solids to the bottom so they don't go into the either bottled or kegged finished product.

 

[stickyfinger]

Probably a stupid question: what is the advantage to cold crashing with this style (as opposed to skipping the cold crash)?

i find it makes it a LOT easier to rack through your keg outpost QD without clogging it. All of the bigger hop particles will drop to the bottom of the fermentor.

 

[Steveg229]

I haven't tried Imperial Juice, which is their version of 1318... but I think you might be thinking of Imperial Dry Hop which is a blend of Citrus (Trois) and Barbarian (Conan). Not sure how fermenting above 70 with either of those would go. It will be interesting to try Citrus at room temp again this summer, when it could get up near the 80's.

I was a bit skeptical about Equinox, but it was great 1:1 with Citra. The citrus, particularly lime, really stuck out to me. Almost like a margarita IPA (in a good way). No green pepper, which I've heard some others report.

I just kegged mine on friday which I made with the imperial Citrus fermented at 69F. It finished at 1.013 for an abv of 5.9%. Pulled a sample yesterday and it is not 100% carbed yet, but it is amazing. Has an awesome pineapple, mango, and citrus aroma and tastes the same. Color came out perfect as well. This is the first time I have made this style and I now understand what everyone means by "juicy". I think this yeast compliments this style and recipe very well. Thanks for this awesome recipe. I will post a pic once 100% carbed. Definitely adding this to the rotation!

 

[kevink]

Probably a stupid question: what is the advantage to cold crashing with this style (as opposed to skipping the cold crash)?

The point is to drop out the massive dry hop. You will have an impossible time racking to your keg if you go through the quick disconnect. Even if you were able to rack to your kegs, you wouldn't want all that hop sludge in the keg, anyway. Clogged poppets on a keg you are supposed to be pouring from are no fun. In addition, the hop particles in suspension are harsh. If they're in your keg, you'll have to wait a while for them to drop. When I keg, I want the beer almost ready to go. I don't want to be pouring off pint after pint waiting for the harsh greenness to go away.

 

[jakturner]

I'll never use Equinox again. The risk is not worth the reward. I wouldn't be surprised if they renamed it due to its terrible reputation

What experience did you have with equinox?

 

[jammin]

What experience did you have with equinox?

Green pepper bomb on multiple occasions - same as what most people report. I always dry hop heavily though so maybe it's ok in small amounts

 

[Desertbrewer]

Green pepper bomb on multiple occasions - same as what most people report. I always dry hop heavily though so maybe it's ok in small amounts

How much Equinox are we talkin'?

I made a basic ALL Equinox APA with 2 oz whirlpool and 3 oz dry hop and it tasted like rainbow/lime sherbet with some dankness. No one out of my circle of beer drinkers mentioned green pepper. To me, it comes across multifaceted like Mosaic cause it's dank, fruity, citrusy, a little catty.

I could definitely see people not liking the hop because it is very strong and hard to pinpoint flavor-wise.

I'm wondering if it makes a difference when in the boil you use them; for instance, what volatile oils are released if they're boiled verses if they're whirlpool/dry hop.

Either that or there are major differences in when they are grown/harvested that brings out some nasty characteristics.

 

[crusader1612]

Green pepper bomb on multiple occasions - same as what most people report. I always dry hop heavily though so maybe it's ok in small amounts

I've definitely had that interesting green pepper flavour/aroma.
I wouldn't call it a bomb, but yeah definitely there...

 

[HOPME]

OG 1.062
FG 1.016

Very similar malt bill and hop schedule as Braufessors.

1318 with a 1L starter

 

[stickyfinger]

Brau, update on your pseudo-LODO comparison?

 

[Braufessor]

Brau, update on your pseudo-LODO comparison?

Ehhhh.... the ones I attempted (IPA and Lagers) are fine. However, I did not do a good enough job with the process..... I had some errors and inconsistencies implementing some of the key steps along the way. Not fair for me really to chime in with anything pro or con at this point. The things I did wrong/or not quite to the standard I should have are easy enough to do a better job of in the future. And I will definitely put it on the agenda in a few weeks.... probably a couple lagers (as that is where I think it has particular application). But, until then, not really fair for me to knock any of it when I had too many inconsistencies in my process.

 

[murphyslaw]

What do you guys carbonate this to? I think I do 2.5 volumes for standard ipas, should I go lower?

Also, I tried transferring from my fermonster from the spigot through the liquid outpost, against the advice I've seen on here and it didn't work. At first I thought it was a problem on my fermonster, because I accidently collapsed the spout by tightening a hose clamp too much. But i tried to pull a pint today and I got only a slow trickle. So now I figure it's the liquid post. I guess I'll have to take it apart, which I really hate to do since I'll have to expose some o2.

Oh and carbed up my hydrometer sample with a carb cap to taste. Holy crap it was delicious.

 

[Braufessor]

What do you guys carbonate this to? I think I do 2.5 volumes for standard ipas, should I go lower?

Also, I tried transferring from my fermonster from the spigot through the liquid outpost, against the advice I've seen on here and it didn't work. At first I thought it was a problem on my fermonster, because I accidently collapsed the spout by tightening a hose clamp too much. But i tried to pull a pint today and I got only a slow trickle. So now I figure it's the liquid post. I guess I'll have to take it apart, which I really hate to do since I'll have to expose some o2.

Oh and carbed up my hydrometer sample with a carb cap to taste. Holy crap it was delicious.

I keep it pretty low.... 1.9-2.2 range probably.

You can try putting a liquid disconnect on your CO2 and pushing CO2 down the tube..... That may or may not work.

Make sure you vent the pressure off your keg before you take the post off to clean it out if you go that route..... guess how I know that

That is a job best done over a floor drain if possible.

 

[murphyslaw]

I keep it pretty low.... 1.9-2.2 range probably.

You can try putting a liquid disconnect on your CO2 and pushing CO2 down the tube..... That may or may not work.

Make sure you vent the pressure off your keg before you take the post off to clean it out if you go that route..... guess how I know that

That is a job best done over a floor drain if possible.

Thanks for the tips. I was thinking of trying to blast it with co2, I'll give it a try.