not trying to question you, but i find it hard to believe you only save $1 or so per pound. does that mean hopsdirect/freshhops is currently paying $29 a pound and selling them for $32?
When Sam Adams starting offering hops at cost to other breweries at the beginning of the hop shortage, they said the cost was $5.50 a pound or something like that. how much do you think there paying now?
even if we could get enough bulk to pay $15-20 a pound that would be a hugh savings
not trying to question you, but i find it hard to believe you only save $1 or so per pound. does that mean hopsdirect/freshhops is currently paying $29 a pound and selling them for $32?
When Sam Adams starting offering hops at cost to other breweries at the beginning of the hop shortage, they said the cost was $5.50 a pound or something like that. how much do you think there paying now?
even if we could get enough bulk to pay $15-20 a pound that would be a hugh savings
The price Sam Adams had paid for those hops was before the big price increases of last year. Those $5.50/lb hops are probably $20+/lb now.
Hops direct and Freshops are wholesalers not retailers.
I don't think he ever said otherwise.
I don't think he ever said otherwise.
Hops direct and Freshops are wholesalers not retailers.
He suggested that they BUY hops at 29 bucks and sell...
Hops direct and Freshops are wholesalers not retailers.
They sell to consumers like me, that makes them retailers. They may also have a wholesale business where they sell to other retailers. I still don't understand the point you are trying to make other than you can't compete with their prices because the sell larger volumes.
That wasn't my point. I sell 3 tons a year. That is a large volume.
They sell to anyone at a wholesale price. Wholesale and retail is not totally defined by who you sell to. It is also defined by price.
I've been very pleased with my HopsDirect hops from last year, and am eager to order again this year. They're quite a nice retailer. A bulk buy from them wouldn't work well, though, as they limit to 1 or 2 lb per variety.
The info on the 11lb packs is interesting. I'll also watch that order thread.
I have nothing against Forrest or AHS at all but it seems to get contentious whenever we talk about circumventing retail, comparing prices, etc. I can certainly appreciate why this would be, but the forum is more about the community of homebrewers and not the vendors. I think the internet is both a blessing and curse for retailers. It opened up the customer base to the whole world, but now consumers have a lot of power to price compare and even buy at wholesale volumes above the typical retailer.
You could argue that if enough group buying happens, the LHBS (real and virtual) are potentially driven out of business. At that point, all you have is group buys. 1200 viles of white labs anyone? I contend that capitalism works. People will compare price with value and make their choice.
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