Hmmm. So, when I turn on the radio in my car, how do I know if I have license to listen to a station of music?
Games? I'm serious as a heart attack. What was the point of it?
Who's legislating anything?
I think some people are taking this thread personally. You know who u ar
The legality is a question, since clearly there are variables in different locales. I see no lack of clarity in the ethical standpoint. Don't take what isn't yours...and I'm not buying that people don't know what's theirs and what's not.
I've been resisting throwing this out there, but there's a lot of ignorance of how the legal system works going on in this thread.
There is absolutely not a comparison between the burglary of a private building and accessing a wireless signal which is broadcast into the public realm and is easily captured by common electronic devices.
What's that term? Full disclosure? Interpreting the law is my job and has been for a good while now. I know how these things work. Being righteous rarely means being right.
Seems logical that to stand up for what you believe entails taking things somewhat seriously/personally.
But, if they've chosen to broadcast an open network channel into public space, that's as clear a choice as it can be about whether the network is intended to be public or private.
Appeal to Authority? That's fine, sometimes it's appropriate.
Just because something can be done legally doesn't always mean it's the right thing to do.
I disagree. Call it ignorance or plain stupidity, there are lots of people that simply buy a wireless router and hook it up with no understanding of the implication. That's like taking candy from a baby. It's not really an informed choice.
We need an adjunct of the law to interpret this issue for us.
How 'bout some personal responsibility?
I disagree. Call it ignorance or plain stupidity, there are lots of people that simply buy a wireless router and hook it up with no understanding of the implication. That's like taking candy from a baby. It's not really an informed choice.
How about some personal integrity?
How about some personal integrity?
How about take 2.4 seconds and protect your wireless.
Why, it's asking too much to let alone that which isn't yours?
Why, it's asking too much to let alone that which isn't yours?
Am I? The OP's question is/was "Is "borrowing" wireless wrong?".
I have no particular problem if you have a Gentlemen's Agreement to use each other's stuff. However, because that is your way doesn't grant permission to assume it's everybody's way.
You seem to be taking this discussion very personally, I'm curious why.
Who stole your intrawebz and slowed down your netflix streaming?
Hell yes it does. Every router I've seen shipped in the last... oh, almost 10 years, has come with the security pre-set to 'Enabled' (PSA with key). You have to manually disable security on a modern router for it to be public.
Nobody has stolen any bandwidth from me. I run a very tight ship in that regard.
As I mentioned earlier, it seems a very basic principle to me that you don't take what isn't yours without explicit permission so I react strongly to what seems contrary to that.
whoaru99 said:Nobody has stolen any bandwidth from me. I run a very tight ship in that regard.
As I mentioned earlier, it seems a very basic principle to me that you don't take what isn't yours without explicit permission so I react strongly to what seems contrary to that.
I disagree. Call it ignorance or plain stupidity, there are lots of people that simply buy a wireless router and hook it up with no understanding of the implication. That's like taking candy from a baby. It's not really an informed choice.
It's the same as a neighbor coming over and using your gas grill without asking you.
You're applying your own ethics to the situation to determine your story. That's fine, but you cannot force your own moral paradigm upon someone else as an absolute.
Golddiggie said:To the original question about it being wrong... IMO, it is. It's the same as a neighbor coming over and using your gas grill without asking you. Would you be ok with that? How about the neighbor you've never even met doing it?
Don't take what isn't yours.
How is this the same?
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