kornkob said:
I disagree. A man halfway through your door while you are home is perpetrating a home invasion. An ARMED home invasion in this case. More than enough reason to believe that you are in serious fear for your life and safety. Had this not been a cop on a NKW, the homeowner probably would already have his weapon back and at least one cop would have given him an unofficial 'attaboy'
If the cops had announced themslves, or executed a proper entry to the home (instead of trying to scramble in the bottom of a half destroyed door) this would have been resolved without firing a shot.
Your 'stealing a tv' and 'running out the back door' straw men are not relevant to the discussion. That is NOT what was occurring, based on facts given in this case (and in mayother cases that can be sited in which LEOs and innocent citizens exchanged fire over NKW). Furthermore your statement is not factually accurate as stated since such distintions vary from in different juristictions.
First, I must start by saying, "stated by a true pothead"
Second, "unofficial attaboy" is UNOFFICIAL!!!
Third, Oh yeah if the door would have swung open and I would have been woken up with yelling, the first thing I would have thought was.. gee I'm not going to grab my gun because someone is yelling and screaming. The underlying point here is why were they serving a warrant in the middle of the night?
Fourth, I didn't say "stealing a tv and running out the back door", I said you can't shoot someone for stealing your TV. I also said, you can't shoot somebody who is running out the door(shooting in the back). If you do, you better have a good reason (i.e. running toward your family). You say this point is invalid, well if the rules of self defense reguarding personal gun use in your home in the United States offend you, possibly you should seek another living situation.
It is your God given right to disagree with me. When this happens to you, I'll be sure to send you a large box filled with soap on a ropes for your many years in prison.
I will state again, obviously there is some shady stuff goin on, however, when a cop comes on scene and sees his buddy dead on the front porch, who are you going to believe. The dead guy on the PORCH, or the guy with the gun, who enjoys smoking pot recreationally. Which by the way, IS ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know it is not a big deal at all. I have lots of friends who "partake". I choose not to because well here is a good example. I also want to have the best job I can, and if I piss hot all the time, I will never get ahead in life.
Thats my .02 take it or leave it.