Lushife said:Carabbas?
Ok, here's one. My Dad was just in the hospital for 12 days with a horrible case of pnemonia. He's doing fine now. Well, I'd go see him everyday and while I was there I would snag a pair or two of nitrile gloves from his room. They waste those things constantly while I'm there. Everytime a hospital employee walls in the room they put on a pair of gloves. Sometimes they end up not even touching anything and then throw them away. I also snagged a few syringes (without needles) and some dust masks, but they hand out the dust masks freely and the syringes would have been thrown away since my Dad was being released and they were left in his room.
Airborneguy said:I think the gloves are fine but anything else is stealing. Whenever I need gloves I just ask an ambulance for a box. That's how we get them at work for the most part.
Lushife said:Yeah as long as you're not filling up a bag. I used to take all sorts of stuff when I worked a hospital. Always small stuff I needed and couldn't easily buy but they also were a holes to me at that job.
nasty_rabbit said:You are JUSTIFYING petty theft. I'm not saying that I am above that as I have done the same thing in a different environment. But I knew and accepted it as THEFT and understood the possible repercussions associated. Don't try to make yourself believe that it is OK because if ever caught you will have a hard time understanding the penalties.
Yeah maybe I am justifying petty theft but I am quite capable of understanding penalties I don't live live in some dreamworld. I think that last sentence was a little uncalled for. Also, I don't think there would any serious penalties for taking a bulb syringe or some gloves.
Lushife said:Yeah maybe I am justifying petty theft but I am quite capable of understanding penalties I don't live live in some dreamworld. I think that last sentence was a little uncalled for. Also, I don't think there would any serious penalties for taking a bulb syringe or some gloves.
Cromwell said:I think that's what nasty rabbit is trying to say. You don't think there would be any serious penalty for taking a bulb syringe, and if you happened to get 6 months in jail for it (which is perfectly allowable by law), you'd be stunned. It is petty theft after all, and it's a misdemeanor, not an infraction.
I doubt you would, but the point was you can convince yourself of something that others (in power) don't see your way, and there can be a rude awakening.
My point might be different, though. Do you consider yourself an ethical person? Have you sold your ethics for the cost of a couple gloves and syringes. Are your ethics worth $5-10? It's not a big deal in terms of money. Hospital economics assume a certain waste (loss). But now you're a thief. Maybe worse, a petty thief.
I feel partly responsible for the spiral effect that I see conning so I will try to lighten it up a bit.
You are preparing dinner for a few friends and have only one piece of fish per person in attendance. You drop a piece on the floor while going to plate, you have pets (cats and dogs that shed). Do you,
1) clean it off as best as you can and take it for yourself?
2) clean it off as best as you can and give it to the least desirable "friend" there? Or
3) serve everyone else and eat a cold cut sandwich?
I feel partly responsible for the spiral effect that I see conning so I will try to lighten it up a bit.
You are preparing dinner for a few friends and have only one piece of fish per person in attendance. You drop a piece on the floor while going to plate, you have pets (cats and dogs that shed). Do you,
1) clean it off as best as you can and take it for yourself?
2) clean it off as best as you can and give it to the least desirable "friend" there? Or
3) serve everyone else and eat a cold cut sandwich?
mcbaumannerb said:Depends on how dirty the floor is and what the fish looked like after picking it up. If it was mostly intact and a quick brushing got rid of hair then #1; otherwise #3.
I have a couple "friends" that I would gladly serve a hairy fish.
I feel partly responsible for the spiral effect that I see conning so I will try to lighten it up a bit.
You are preparing dinner for a few friends and have only one piece of fish per person in attendance. You drop a piece on the floor while going to plate, you have pets (cats and dogs that shed). Do you,
1) clean it off as best as you can and take it for yourself?
2) clean it off as best as you can and give it to the least desirable "friend" there? Or
3) serve everyone else and eat a cold cut sandwich?
Numero uno. Never met a tuna too hairy for my tastebuds....
Here's one. You agree to feed your friend's cat. While you are in their apartment you notice a large spider-plant hanging in the kitchen.
Is it unethical to take a small cutting off the plant, so as to "seed" a flowerpot of your own when you get home?
So you've never taken anything from work? Or anywhere for that matter.
Here's one. You agree to feed your friend's cat. While you are in their apartment you notice a large spider-plant hanging in the kitchen.
Is it unethical to take a small cutting off the plant, so as to "seed" a flowerpot of your own when you get home?
But here's a question, since we are posting ethical dilemmas, and I run cons.
You walk up on a game of 3-card monte in the street. We all know 3-card monte is a scam, so the dealer is taking people's money.
Further, the dealer is talking non-stop, and he lets loose a bunch of obnoxious racist remarks, proving himself to be a real jerk.
And then you see him make his "fake move" so you know where the right card is, in spite of him trying to trick everyone.
Would you bet big and take his money?
Here's one. You agree to feed your friend's cat. While you are in their apartment you notice a large spider-plant hanging in the kitchen.
Is it unethical to take a small cutting off the plant, so as to "seed" a flowerpot of your own when you get home?
We're just wired differently CGVT. I could watch the slow painful death of Michael Vick without any problem...
If they are that good of "friends" why would you invite them over for dinner?
Here's my best way of judging whether something unethical. If the situation was reversed and you were the person it was being done to, how would you feel?
As for my example about the 3-card monte. Con men are "social engineers". They know exactly what most people would do, and most people would happily take money from an evil con man. It's considered stealing from a thief, and that makes it ok. In fact, the dealer of the con thinks exactly the same thing about you. If you know which card is the right one because that card got marked somehow, then if you bet you're stealing from him. That makes him think it's ok to steal from you. If you don't bet because it seems wrong, he can't (and doesn't want to) take your money. He even ups the stakes by acting racist and mean, so you won't have sympathy for him. He might be less racist than you, but he knows that acting that way makes it easier for you to try to steal from him. (And just to be clear - if he's really a con man, he'll make sure you think you can cheat him, while he's actually cheating you. There have been literally millions of dollars taken from people, 20-100 at a time, people who were sure they had seen the cheat and knew how to beat the game. The only way to win at 3-card monte is not to play - trust me on this one.)
The automatic change machines you sometimes find in supermarket checkouts.
You get your groceries, grab your change, and start to leave. About halfway to the door of the supermarket you realize you have a bit too much change and that the person before you probably didn't grab theirs.
Ok to pocket it or do you attempt to extract your change from theirs and return what is not yours (either to the person if you can find them, or the cashier)?
I have a couple "friends" that I would gladly serve a hairy fish.
The automatic change machines you sometimes find in supermarket checkouts.
You get your groceries, grab your change, and start to leave. About halfway to the door of the supermarket you realize you have a bit too much change and that the person before you probably didn't grab theirs.
Ok to pocket it or do you attempt to extract your change from theirs and return what is not yours (either to the person if you can find them, or the cashier)?
I still don't see how the question about the 3-card monte game is an ethical one. ... Just my .02
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Ethical or Not?
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