Brew Masters on Discovery w/ Sam Calagione

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passedpawn said:
I can't wait till tonight! (the next episode is tonight, right?)

This is the only tv I watch all week . lame, I know.
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You're like a little girl waiting to watch the next music video that (insert current boy band here) puts out. I think you may have a bit of a man-crush on Sam! :p

Now if you'll excuse me I have to make sure the DVR is set to record Brewmasters...
 
motobrewer said:
you said nice troll twice. and i haven't been talking about BMC.

you came on here and specifically said your beer is "more wholesome and healthful" than commercial beers because you "pick out bad grains" (whatever the h*ll that means, lol) and "crush your own"
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You are 100% right. All beers are equal. Unfiltered, unpasteurized beer made with only whole grains that is naturally carbonated using only premium ingredients that are tailored to my palette is the exact same as commercial examples.

Are there beers that are unfiltered, unpasteurized, and naturally carbonated? Sure. Am I going to seek them out and buy everyone trying to find one that I like when I can make any style of beer I like with the ingredients that I choose, and the method I choose? Absolutely not.

Am I going to continue this banter with you? Absolutely not. You are right, I don't know what I am talking about. How dare I prefer to drink something that the board you are on is dedicated to for reasons that differ from your own. I am not selling you on anything, nor am I trying to convert you.
 
That dude is everywhere I look lately. He's got a tv show, his book ad is on HBT permanently, and he's in a Sabco ad in BYO. If I come home and find him in bed with my wife, ill lose it.
 
mkwasnie said:
First off, I would like to thank myself for ruining this thread.

Secondly, I was just pointing out that not supporting commercial breweries, because they contribute to political gluttony sounds like a poor argument when buying grain would support that also.
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If only you knew specifically what policies I am against could you comment on the foundation of my decisions.
 
BeerWars said:
How dare I prefer to drink something that the board you are on is dedicated to for reasons that differ from your own. I am not selling you on anything, nor am I trying to convert you.
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the board I am on has nothing to do with beer, it is dedicated to saving energy in commercial buildings. Sounds like you might be for that?

It also sounds like you've watched beerwars far too many times
 
motobrewer said:
the board I am on has nothing to do with beer, it is dedicated to saving energy in commercial buildings. Sounds like you might be for that?

It also sounds like you've watched beerwars far too many times
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I really like dogfish head ipas, but I can see why some people wouldn't. I think their ipas are a little more mellow and balanced than some of the bitter hop blast in your face American ipas. So if that's what you're looking for I can see why dogfish ipas would be disappointing but when I recommend an ipa to a craft beer newbie I usually steer em towards the 60 or 90 because they're a lot easier to drink than most American ipas out there
 
vicratlhead51 said:
I really like dogfish head ipas, but I can see why some people wouldn't. I think their ipas are a little more mellow and balanced than some of the bitter hop blast in your face American ipas. So if that's what you're looking for I can see why dogfish ipas would be disappointing but when I recommend an ipa to a craft beer newbie I usually steer em towards the 60 or 90 because they're a lot easier to drink than most American ipas out there
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Easier to drink when you have a wal-mart pallet. ooooooooooohhhhh yah i said it. lol
 
wyzazz said:
You're like a little girl waiting to watch the next music video that (insert current boy band here) puts out. I think you may have a bit of a man-crush on Sam! :p

Now if you'll excuse me I have to make sure the DVR is set to record Brewmasters...
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That is amazing you figured that out from my post.

You are amazing! I can't wait for your next post! :p
 
olllllo said:
Thanks to the haters, Sam's Brewing up a Business book is a permanently affixed ad on HBT.

Go on now. Tell us how Sam isn't Charles Bukowski.
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^And that is awesome.

I just have to say that regardless of what you may think of his beers (I've had some I liked a lot, some I had to hold my nose to finish), he is living the dream. He decided to start a brewery after his first batch of homebrew, and he actually made it. Plus, in these economic times, I'm happy to applaud a guy who is running a successful small business. Maybe that's OT, but I respect the guy more than I respect any individual beer. To each his own.
 
I've decided there is enough nastiness on the internet and am unsubscribing from this thread. There is nothing constructive in it or about it. I'd like to discuss this show but I can't read this thread without getting worked up by people who have nothing to say but "DFH SUX YR SO GAY MY BEERZ WY BTTR!!!!1!! OMG!"
 
Lodovico said:
Let's bring the humor and good discussion about the show back into this thread. What do ya say? :mug:
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And the discussion about beer. So anyway, I actually really started thinking after the past episode about wood aging. Kind of made me wonder why not a lot of people have experimented with different wood types other than oak for aging a beer. Aside from the obvious that most wine and whiskey barrels are made of oak. What do you guys think? What wood would you want to experiment with, and what qualities would you look for in a wood to age a beer?
 
BeerWars said:
I am into homebrew PRIMARILY because I do not like how brewers / distillers (makers of one of the great scourges of our society) use my money and their political clout to attempt to control domestic policy (especially the policies that I don't agree with).
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BeerWars said:
If only you knew specifically what policies I am against could you comment on the foundation of my decisions.
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Sorry, I just interpreted this as not liking lobbyists, and I like how you seem to know me so well, i.e. my definition of wholesomeness...oh wait didn't you say

BeerWars said:
Am I going to continue this banter with you? Absolutely not.
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Hmmm, and about what you did say on how "my definition" of wholesomeness would be "impossible" to achieve. I bet fifty years ago you would have said the same thing about making your own beer. Impossible and a lot of effort are different in most books.
 
Stageseven, I always thought Sugar Maple chips would be great to age beer in, should give it a nutty sort of taste.

Birch would be amazing if there would be a good way to age it using the bark, without it infecting your beer. The wood itself does not have that amazing taste/smell. I want to try crushing the bark and making a tea with it, then adding it at the end of the boil, but that's not really aging I guess. One might be able to boil the bark and then add it to the beer, but not really sure if it would impart many flavors after that.
 
stageseven said:
And the discussion about beer. So anyway, I actually really started thinking after the past episode about wood aging. Kind of made me wonder why not a lot of people have experimented with different wood types other than oak for aging a beer. Aside from the obvious that most wine and whiskey barrels are made of oak. What do you guys think? What wood would you want to experiment with, and what qualities would you look for in a wood to age a beer?
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I would like to try aging in a pecan or hickory or maybe even a peach wood barrel. i think they would add nice subtle flavor(s). i'm pretty sure it's unwise to use any wood that has sap or anything similar to sap for aging in.
 
I will probably do a mesquite pale ale this spring, have been looking for a tequila barrel to age it in. The thought is to incorporate some of the flavors of the southwest; secondary on mesquite chips and then age in the barrel.
 
mkwasnie said:
Birch would be amazing if there would be a good way to age it using the bark, without it infecting your beer. The wood itself does not have that amazing taste/smell. I want to try crushing the bark and making a tea with it, then adding it at the end of the boil, but that's not really aging I guess. One might be able to boil the bark and then add it to the beer, but not really sure if it would impart many flavors after that.
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This is actually an idea that I've been toying around with as well. Kind of a "birch beer beer". I was thinking of just adding the bark to the boil, or soaking some in vodka and adding it to secondary.
 
bknifefight said:
I've decided there is enough nastiness on the internet and am unsubscribing from this thread. There is nothing constructive in it or about it. I'd like to discuss this show but I can't read this thread without getting worked up by people who have nothing to say but "DFH SUX YR SO GAY MY BEERZ WY BTTR!!!!1!! OMG!"
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Haha so apparently you're new to forums and the internet in general :D

... just stay away from 4chan
 
stageseven said:
This is actually an idea that I've been toying around with as well. Kind of a "birch beer beer". I was thinking of just adding the bark to the boil, or soaking some in vodka and adding it to secondary.
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I wouldn't add the bark to the boil directly, I believe you would get a bunch of nasty tannins. The vodka soak might work though. I'm thinking the best way to get the flavor/aroma would be steeping the bark at like 150F and then adding it in at the end of the boil.
 
stageseven said:
And the discussion about beer. So anyway, I actually really started thinking after the past episode about wood aging. Kind of made me wonder why not a lot of people have experimented with different wood types other than oak for aging a beer. Aside from the obvious that most wine and whiskey barrels are made of oak. What do you guys think? What wood would you want to experiment with, and what qualities would you look for in a wood to age a beer?
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I actually liked the idea of aging beer like whiskey. Makes sense that whiskey starts out as beer, why not treat beer like whiskey especially because aged beer takes on the flavors of aged whiskey. Now if only I could find a 5 gallon barrel. LOL I'd do charred white oak and see what that left me with. I imagine it would be pretty awesome.
 
not sure why or how this topic got political. the show itself is not very political, its general interest/hobbyist/niche designed to be fun, informative and entertaining... people expecting deep philosophical thinking, grand political or activistic statements or scandalous unveilings are probably looking in the wrong place. its not a show about global warming or breast cancer. its not to be taken too seriously.

the show is not for everyone, what show is?

it does a decent job (IMO) of holding attention between the commercial breaks when you think about what the show is really about - making beer. could have been a real community-cable low-production-value snorefest without some dramatics, plot twists, graphics and staging...

i dont know why or where all the resentment, bitterness, and jealousy comes from. i really dont. we are a small community, generally out to help each other, and here's a show about someone who made it, or is trying to make it - and all we can muster are criticisms of his beer, his personality, his ego, his family, his production, his recipes, his techniques, his staff, his motives, his integrity, his truck!

damn man.
 
BeerWars said:
Hmmmm. I should have known - you can find anything on Google. Now the question is what beer to make with it?
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i've actually been eyeing these up for awhile. 5 gal would be beer, then have a 3,9,15.

first thing i'd put in would be a barleywine...
 
I've tried a number of bourbon barrel stouts that range from over the top and to subtle and good.
 
motobrewer said:
i've actually been eyeing these up for awhile. 5 gal would be beer, then have a 3,9,15.

first thing i'd put in would be a barleywine...
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They make 19 Liter barrels. Seems that they are primarily marked in liters.

I was reading up on barrels and you lose a decent amount to evaporation, I think with the losses, 3 gallon wouldn't be worth the effort for me.

I wonder what it would do to something like an ale.

I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner. A guy I know ages his own balsamic vinegar in little barrels. I should ask him where he is getting them.
 
Vadai is a popular source of barrels, including the smaller ones.

something to be aware of however, the smaller the barrel, the quicker it will impart the wood flavor to the beer - a new barrel in the 23L-25L size can over-oak a wine in a week or so - regular tastings are needed and a plan to quickly remove the wine at the right level of oakiness and have something else ready to go into the barrel are important..... generally in winemaking, the evaporation and micro-oxygenation of barrels is desireable... it concentrates good qualities of the wine.
barrels generally dont like to be empty once they are used, so strategic planning is required to keep them in use over time...
after several uses the ability for the barrel to impart wood notes is all but diminished, it is then referred to as a neutral barrel - it can still be used, sometimes is more preferred, for aging, concentration, micro-oxygenation and oaking can be done with added chips, staves or spirals to the preferred toast level.
 
Damn what a waste of a thread.

I've enjoyed the show so far. I would much rather watch that then 90 percent of the crap on TV these days. Jersey Shore, dancing with the Stars, American Idol, etc etc etc.

He tends to go over the top a bit and experiment with different stuff. Nothing wrong with that. Some of their stuff I like, others, not so much. You don't have to love their beer to enjoy the show IMO. I don't see all of the hate.
 
Yes, very good episode so far. Seems like they have to show a depressing part every episode. This isn't good if they end up throwing out this huge batch. Still 30 minutes to go though.
 

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