An Alcoholic?!?!?
Oh snap son...
Beer snobs SUCK!!! (rant)
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munche
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Sam Adams generally tends to have advertisements that explain their methods they use to keep a quality beer. In fact, several people I know are familiar with the phenomenon of light skunking beer specifically because of the Sam Adams commercials.
Also @ the guy stating Sam Adams contracts their beer out, you're wrong. They're actually the largest American owned brewery in operation currently. Pabst, who contracts their brewing to MillerCoors, is larger in volume but does not have their own brewing facility.
It's one thing to say you don't like a brand's beer (i'm not a huge fan of most of SA's styles, tbh) but there's so much silly misinformation flying around it's ridiculous.
How hard of a formula is it? If you like it, drink it. If you don't, don't. All these silly reasons based in half facts that people are using to justify their holier than thou attitudes to this or that brewery are hilarious.
doctorRobert
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Sam Adams do contract out some of their beer.
That's doesn't mean they still can't be the biggest in the US. I bet they probably have partial interest in the breweries they contract out too.
That's doesn't mean they still can't be the biggest in the US. I bet they probably have partial interest in the breweries they contract out too.
carnevoodoo
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Today, approximately 30% of its beer is produced at its own recently-renovated Cincinnati brewery, and over 95% of its beer is produced in company-owned breweries, a change from its past of contracting out beer production to outside breweries (according to the company's annual report).
munche
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Eating crow here, I was wrong about SA contracting
I still stand by that it's silly to compare them to AB and the ilk tho
I still stand by that it's silly to compare them to AB and the ilk tho
Johnny_Crunch
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They all seem to get me nice and hammered. That's what it's all about anyway isn't it?
StAnthonyB
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As a man who has rested his head in Camp Pendleton I can vouch that this is certainly true. SA is really way better east of the Rockies.
Then again the best tasting beer I ever had was a Kilkenny, but that was in Okinawa... A long way from Ireland.... I must have been thirsty.
StAnthonyB
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3. And never rag on a man's wife or his mom.
bknifefight
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You should have tried the barrel aged Belgians they made last fall. They were all fantastic!
FalmouthBrewmeister
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BKnife - You are right - they were AWESOME!:rockin:
Sedge
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The other day someone asked me in conversation how big Sam Adams was and as I started to answer a Sam Adams commercial magically came on the tv. Lo and behold it was a commercial stating exactly how small they are compared to BMC. Have you guys seen this commercial?
Its nice that it will educate people a little bit about the market shares in this country, but it also came off as a little defensive. Either way they highlighted the contant creativity aspect of craft brewers, which people need to see.
Its nice that it will educate people a little bit about the market shares in this country, but it also came off as a little defensive. Either way they highlighted the contant creativity aspect of craft brewers, which people need to see.
How did this thread become a debate about whether SA now a part of the BMC crowd or not?
I think the greater message here is that snobs of any kind suck. I can say that with certainty because I'm better and smarter than everyone else.
I think the greater message here is that snobs of any kind suck. I can say that with certainty because I'm better and smarter than everyone else.
Sedge
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Just thought I'd post some general info for you guys to feed on:
Market Cap vs Major Breweries:
Anheuser-Busch InBev $74.12 Billion
Heineken $19.78 Billion
Coors $7.45 Billiion
Boston Beer Co. $860.82 Million
Annual Sales vs Craft Breweries:
Boston Beer Co. $398,400,000
Sierra Nevada $31,600,000
Dogfish Dead $11,700,000
Stone Brewing $280,000
Market Cap vs Major Breweries:
Anheuser-Busch InBev $74.12 Billion
Heineken $19.78 Billion
Coors $7.45 Billiion
Boston Beer Co. $860.82 Million
Annual Sales vs Craft Breweries:
Boston Beer Co. $398,400,000
Sierra Nevada $31,600,000
Dogfish Dead $11,700,000
Stone Brewing $280,000
pacebrew
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coors is a micro brew by those standards... .lol
that stone data looks a bit low.
that stone data looks a bit low.
northernlad
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Yeah, a local Brewery could do $280,000 in just their hometown.
I bought some of their Nobel Pils on the advice of a friend, and everyone was shocked when I said it was not my favorite SA beer.
Sorry, Samuel. It wasn't that good of beer. I'll take a simple Boston Lager any day.
At least I can refill the bottles...
carnevoodoo
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Those annual sales numbers are way off. That looks like 1995 data or something. Maybe their first year? Stone's financials were listed on their business proposal for the European brewery they want to do, and the number was something like 49 million for 2009.
I will only comment on the numbers vs quality of beer.
The American beer buying public has no idea whatsoever what beer is. They think that fermented rice extract is beer. Thanks to cool Bud Lite commercials. Seriously. I offered a taste of SNPA to a girl that never tasted real beer, and she almost spit it out.
I could have peed in a bottle, chilled and carbonated it, and she'd have loved it.
carnevoodoo
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That's a gross generalization, and assuming that someone who has never really explored hoppy beer will either like hops or piss is ridiculous. I would have asked her what she normally likes in terms of food and gone from there. Perhaps a porter, a stout, a scotch ale, or something with a more malt focused profile would have been to her liking. I'm thinking you failed craft beer by giving her one choice and assuming that's what she'd like.
The American beer buying public is waking up, slowly. Sure, it'll always be a niche market, because Americans like what they're used to. McDonalds will always make more than the local businesses making food out of... well real food, but that's ok. Given time and the resources to choose, more and more people are understanding that there's more than what was previously out there.
Actually, this was not a gross generalization, but my actual experience with someone that thought that Bud Lite was beer.
I'd be glad to hook you up with her and see if you could get her to drink anything other than Bud Lite without her making a face.
carnevoodoo
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ok, then try something like Sam Adams Nobel Pils. It isn't a huge jump from one to the other. Throwing a beer that is so not typical for the masses and then calling them a simpleton is pretty harsh in my book. You work and figure out what a person likes, and then you go from there.
She might have liked the Nobel Pils. I really didn't care for it. I do like a lot of other SA brews, but not that one.
northernlad
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Send her over. I've done it before. I'll do it again.
What you DID imply with your story is that since she doesn't like SNPA she doesn't like good beer and that is just not correct. You went too big. It is like taking someone to a Thai joint and saying they don't like spicy food because 4 stars was too much. I can pick a 6 pack of beers she would at least think twice about. Make sure you tell her that is not what everything that is not BMC tastes like or you will have ruined her.
Baby steps.
billvon
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I made a two-row SMaSH that I bet she would like. A woman at Lost Abbey compared it to Bud Light Lime. "This is the first beer I've had today that doesn't take like ass!" she told me. To each their own.
I probably won't ever see her again, and no big deal. Problem with educating everybody is, I don't have the time, and second, it is going to increase demand for decent beer and drive the price up. I am content to let her drink her swill.
BlueSunshine
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Well it seems like America is slowly warming up to craft beer:
http://www.mlive.com/kalamabrew/index.ssf/2010/03/craft_beer_sales_up_7_percent.html
BMC is down 2% and craft beer is up 7%. I'll take it!
http://www.mlive.com/kalamabrew/index.ssf/2010/03/craft_beer_sales_up_7_percent.html
BMC is down 2% and craft beer is up 7%. I'll take it!
Basically, there are a lot of people out there that think that anything that becomes popular is no longer cool. Because Sam Adams is the biggest brewer outside of BMC, their beers must suck. Granted, SA doesn't make a lot of mind blowingly unique beers - but they still make some fine brew that I will drink any time. It's the same with a lot of things: music comes to mind. You know the type of guy who only listens to a band if he can feel like he was the first person to hear them and noone else knows about them? Any band that has ever had a song on the radio or that people know anything about becomes lame to them. I think the same goes for Blichmann products : because they are the most well known company, and their products tend to be a bit pricey everyone wants to call them overrated. I will never understand people who need so badly to only like things that noone else knows about. Sometimes things that are popular are popular for a reason.
(now who's going to be the first to call me out for posting on a "zombie thread"?)
(now who's going to be the first to call me out for posting on a "zombie thread"?)
bovineblitz
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nice necropost.
doctorRobert
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I couldnt disagree more, maybe that's true for some people. But sam's product is just not up to snuff as rest the of the craft beer industry. I think pasteurization is a huge part of this. Also, they brew all over the country, with breweries in at least 3, probably 4 states. Quality control may be an issue which is why the sam summer has tasted like ass for the past two years.
Sierra Nevada is the 2nd largest craft brewery, and nobody has that "too popular to be good" opinion of them. Just look at the latest top 50 beer survey conducted by Zymurgy.
Noone calls people out for that, it's always in good fun...BUT I have to ask, why bump a 3 year old thread when you could participate in the CURRENT version of this same thread, Idiot beer snobs or its sequel Another reason why some "beer snobs" are idiots?
It's great to dig up old threads, but some are nothing but cobwebs and dust, while others still have some stinky meat on them. (See what I did there? Zombies, stinky meat?
) But I do tend to agree with what you posted.
Since its Necro and Revvy will like it, I had to comment on this, as I didn't last time around. Where has her mouth been?
