Bad hops?

[b_andersson]

I just brought Magnum 14%, green, smelled amazing and very sticky. Which so far as i understand is a good sign for fresh hops. But even with higher amount 1,25 oz (35 gram) i cant say i get any hoppy bitterness with a boil of 60 minutes.

And now beersmith "want" me to add just 0.3 oz (10 gram) for my blonde ale.

Hope anyone could bring any light to this, can it be something in the water?

Thanks in advance!

 

[b_andersson]

Forgot to add, its for a 4 gallon batch.

 

[terrapinj]

would need recipe details and any water additions for more info

it could be a water issue if you are lacking in sulfates but it could also be a malt heavy or low IBU/SG recipe

 

[bobbrews]

I just brought Magnum 14%, green, smelled amazing and very sticky. Which so far as i understand is a good sign for fresh hops. But even with higher amount 1,25 oz (35 gram) i cant say i get any hoppy bitterness with a boil of 60 minutes.

Before we get into water treatments, can you give us this recipe that you brewed so we can determine if it was a problem with the recipe itself?

 

[b_andersson]

Beer 1
Pretty decent roasty flavors, but way to much almond flavour. I just learned the % ratio of the specialty grain after the brew. No more of that mistake.


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Boil Size: 16.92 l
Post Boil Volume: 13.52 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 13.00 l
Bottling Volume: 11.49 l
Estimated OG: 1.062 SG
Estimated Color: 87.5 EBC
Estimated IBU: 105.0 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 60.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 60.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes
Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
2.59 kg Pale Ale (2-row) (6.0 EBC) Grain 1 60.4 %
0.50 kg Crystal 100 (110.0 EBC) Grain 2 11.7 %
0.50 kg Crystal 300 (330.0 EBC) Grain 3 11.7 %
0.20 kg Wheat (6.0 EBC) Grain 4 4.7 %
0.10 kg Black (1500.0 EBC) Grain 5 2.3 %
0.10 kg Chocklad Malt (450.0 EBC) Grain 6 2.3 %
35.00 g Magnum [14.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 7 88.4 IBUs
0.30 kg Honey [Boil for 15 min](1.0 EBC) Extract 8 7.0 %
30.00 g Saaz [4.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 9 11.8 IBUs
0.20 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 mins) Fining 10 -
30.00 g Saaz [4.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 4.7 IBUs
Mash Schedule: BIAB, Light Body
Total Grain Weight: 4.29 kg
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Saccharification Add 20.31 l of water at 68.0 C 64.4 C 90 min
Mash Out Heat to 75.6 C over 7 min 75.6 C 10 min

 

[b_andersson]

Beer 2

Boil Size: 17.96 l
Post Boil Volume: 14.56 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 14.00 l
Bottling Volume: 12.49 l
Estimated OG: 1.053 SG
Estimated Color: 10.6 EBC
Estimated IBU: 88.6 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 72.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes
Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
2.50 kg Pilsner (4.5 EBC) Grain 1 75.8 %
0.50 kg Munich (20.0 EBC) Grain 2 15.2 %
0.30 kg Honey (1.0 EBC) Extract 3 9.1 %
30.00 g Magnum [14.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 37.2 IBUs
20.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 10.6 IBUs
20.00 g Galaxy [14.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 27.0 IBUs
10.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 7 3.9 IBUs
10.00 g Galaxy [14.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 8 9.9 IBUs
Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 3.30 kg
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 8.77 l of water at 71.8 C 65.6 C 75 min




**The yeast used in both are mauribrew ale 514****

 

[bobbrews]

Beer 1
Pretty decent roasty flavors, but way to much almond flavour. I just learned the % ratio of the specialty grain after the brew. No more of that mistake.

You just answered your own question. The bitterness lacked (even though you used 1.25 oz. at 60) because the large % of crystal malt & the sweetness it provided was too high to overcome the bitterness.

I'm kind of doubting anywhere near 100 IBUs was attained from that beer. Both of these beers are in the Imperial IPA IBU range, yet neither are IIPAs. Blonde ales for instance are lowly hopped ales. They usually top off at about 30 IBUs.

 

[b_andersson]

You just answered your own question. The bitterness lacked (even though you used 1.25 oz. at 60) because the large % of crystal malt & the sweetness it provided was too high to overcome the bitterness.

Ohh, glad that you cleared that out. Thanks a lot!

 

[Chrisl77]

When you say fresh hops do you mean whole leaf undried hops? If your hops where not dried that might be your problem. You need alot more undried hops then if they where dried.

 

[b_andersson]

When you say fresh hops do you mean whole leaf undried hops? If your hops where not dried that might be your problem. You need alot more undried hops then if they where dried.

I think they are dried. Its one of those silver vacuum packaged leaf hops.