Suthrncomfrt1884
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Well, I suppose for the time being, I'll just have to brew it with people. I don't want to hurt my chances of getting a license in the future because of some stupid law.
Okay, the legality of selling beer without a license is not under question here. I'm not denying that. I'm just thinking it's a bit rediculous that I can't require my friends to pay me at least what I payed to make it. I realize the law is law...but it's dumb. It's not like I'm selling crack, so bringing up controlled substances is a bit over the top. And it's not that I'm even trying to MAKE money off of this. It's not a business in any way.
I'm not opposed to letting my friends come over to my house and have a few beers, but it got a little nuts after awhile. They would be over every weekend, and I would go through a keg in one night. I wasn't charging at first, so it was starting to cost me a lot of money. I decided that I couldn't keep supporting my own hobby if I didn't get some compensation. That's all I'm doing. I'm not selling to the whole town.
So... another question since what I'm doing seems to be so wrong in peoples eyes... What if my friends bought the ingredients for the beer and I brewed it for them? Is that illegal? Because the way people make it seem is that I would still be breaking the law. And...if that's the case, then none of my friends will ever get beer for their birthdays or parties because I'm having to pay for everything myself. It makes no sense.
So... another question since what I'm doing seems to be so wrong in peoples eyes...
What if I provide the beer and they bring steaks?
Also, at least in my area, this is about as illegal as going 5mph over the limit so I'm only in this discussion cause I'm bored at work.
I hope I'm not coming across as a jerk.
Okay, the legality of selling beer without a license is not under question here. I'm not denying that. I'm just thinking it's a bit rediculous that I can't require my friends to pay me at least what I payed to make it. I realize the law is law...but it's dumb. It's not like I'm selling crack, so bringing up controlled substances is a bit over the top. And it's not that I'm even trying to MAKE money off of this. It's not a business in any way.
I'm not opposed to letting my friends come over to my house and have a few beers, but it got a little nuts after awhile. They would be over every weekend, and I would go through a keg in one night. I wasn't charging at first, so it was starting to cost me a lot of money. I decided that I couldn't keep supporting my own hobby if I didn't get some compensation. That's all I'm doing. I'm not selling to the whole town.
So... another question since what I'm doing seems to be so wrong in peoples eyes... What if my friends bought the ingredients for the beer and I brewed it for them? Is that illegal? Because the way people make it seem is that I would still be breaking the law. And...if that's the case, then none of my friends will ever get beer for their birthdays or parties because I'm having to pay for everything myself. It makes no sense.
In your original post you didnt come across as just someone who wanted their friends to help finance a hobby they all enjoy. it looked like you were trying to sell beer to people to make money off of it by selling them t-shirts, and giving them a free 12 pack alongside.
"In the broadest sense, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual"
By selling t-shirts with a free beer with it, you are defrauding the government out of the money that they would be getting from the beer sold; that they are entitled to. Its obvious that the buyer isnt really paying for the t-shirt in the end. you said yourself they only cost a few bucks to make. If it somehow made it to trial, I dont think you could convince them that the real product was actually the t-shirt. But it most likely wouldnt go that far. Its a pretty minor operation, and your not likely to get caught, but it is in fact illegal, and you should probably realize that if you chose to continue doing it. But whatever floats your boat anyway
On the tax issue, you would have to pay taxes on the t-shirt sales regardless of any beer if you were going to be on the up-and-up.
There have already been cases where people tried to use your "loophole" and lost in court. e.g. throwing a homebrew party and charging for cups. You may think it's a clever loophole, but it's not clever, and it's not a loophole. Most likely you will never be charged with anything, but you could be, and if you were, you'd probably lose.
See above post... I already said I'm not doing this anymore. Yes, I was making a little money. I figured for the time I put into it, I deserved it. I guess not.
Did I mention that I like beer? I think its good! Think I'll brew some more this weekend. I just floated a keg.
The actual charge you would be brought up on is essentially "intent". 1. Something that is intended; an aim or purpose.See above post... I already said I'm not doing this anymore. Yes, I was making a little money. I figured for the time I put into it, I deserved it. I guess not.
Why should I be banned for making my first post? I felt I had something to contribute so I made a comment. Didn't spam, didn't advertise, didn't insult anyone...I generally lurk, as a member of many forums I post when I have something to post. My lack of activity shouldn't constitute an intention to troll or bait. Don't think I broke any rules. I registered a long time ago and decided to return once the hobby back around again.The thread, let it die
Also, join date of Feb 2009 but first post October 2010
Similar to the fact that you'd be breaking the law for supplying a hooker with a cheeseburger and she rewarded you with sexual favors. You didn't actually pay her for sex...right? Well the law sees it differently.
I don't know about cheeseburgers but south Texas has been known to negotiate favorably for ham sandwiches and Sunkists.I think that could be labeled dating a hooker. BTW what city do you live in that hookers go for cheeseburger prices?
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