A question about perfect machines
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Golddiggie
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Sure. I call it a snowplow. I might have to sharpen it but I'll get through
Just be sure to weld those spikes onto it like we discussed.
Little late to da party there...
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Just be sure to weld those spikes onto it like we discussed.
I've been thinking of sharpening the edge, greasing and angling the blade...stopping to clear the spikes could get annoying. I want to make good time...what do you think?
Little late to da party there...
I know this dude. Give him a chance, he may end up making sense of this whole thing
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And done! Smartest dude to show up here.
I know this dude. Give him a chance, he may end up making sense of this whole thing
Methinks thou doest give him too much credit.
BTW, I had already posted about there not being any spoon. :rockin:
Why all the focus on the machine as if it is responsible for its own design?
You are ignoring the risks if you believe that it is perfect. "Perfectly ignorant" isn't an oxymoron. "Perfect machine"="good enough"+"risk ignorance". Don't ignore the risks. Think of each design element in terms of (1) ways that it can fail and the effect of the failure, (2) probability of occurrence, and (3) controls that you already have to prevent, or react, to the failure. Rank each and use some math to get totals as an indication of risks that are too high to consider the machine as good enough. That is obviously way too formal for the task but hopefully provides the right mind set.
For the space shuttle Discovery, the theory of a leaky O ring was known after a test then ignored by those that mattered. They tried to launch with the belief that it was good enough. For the space Columbia, they knew that there was a failure while it was up in space. They believed that it was discussed enough to land. It was very unfortunate that the lesson about ignorance wasn't learned even after the Discovery disaster. The lessons learned had more to do with the people needing to avoid ignorance than mechanical engineering.
What did you do to prevent the leak and why did you fail?
Blaaa... Time for a beer. I hope I don't find that it is leaking.... again.
You are ignoring the risks if you believe that it is perfect. "Perfectly ignorant" isn't an oxymoron. "Perfect machine"="good enough"+"risk ignorance". Don't ignore the risks. Think of each design element in terms of (1) ways that it can fail and the effect of the failure, (2) probability of occurrence, and (3) controls that you already have to prevent, or react, to the failure. Rank each and use some math to get totals as an indication of risks that are too high to consider the machine as good enough. That is obviously way too formal for the task but hopefully provides the right mind set.
For the space shuttle Discovery, the theory of a leaky O ring was known after a test then ignored by those that mattered. They tried to launch with the belief that it was good enough. For the space Columbia, they knew that there was a failure while it was up in space. They believed that it was discussed enough to land. It was very unfortunate that the lesson about ignorance wasn't learned even after the Discovery disaster. The lessons learned had more to do with the people needing to avoid ignorance than mechanical engineering.
What did you do to prevent the leak and why did you fail?
Blaaa... Time for a beer. I hope I don't find that it is leaking.... again.
I already have but now I'm not telling the rest of the story.
And here I though I knew you
Golddiggie
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And here I though I knew you
So much for your complete, and perfect, knowledge of him.
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So much for your complete, and perfect, knowledge of him.
I'd drink a lot with you both. The only think I know for sure is that I'd wake up with a "perfect" hangover. And since I am not a perfect machine, I'd be leaking from somewhere
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I'd drink a lot with you both. The only think I know for sure is that I'd wake up with a "perfect" hangover. And since I am not a perfect machine, I'd be leaking from somewhere
At least I have 1-1/2 bathrooms...
One on the first and one on the second floor.. I never drink enough to get sick. :rockin: By the time I have enough that I could, I'm already sleeping. We'll see how the big one comes out. Might be worth you taking a trip out here to sample. Maybe even let you take some home with you.
If the airline doesn't confiscate it as rocket fuel. lol
At least I have 1-1/2 bathrooms...
We'll see how the big one comes out. Might be worth you taking a trip out here to sample. Maybe even let you take some home with you.
I'm there too. A few and I get sleepy. Why the F am I still awake?
What airline? I'm coming with the truck/snowplow. I'll bring a trailer if you're gonna set me up
Too bad the world ends in three days.
Is this thread now completely derailed? I think my work here may be done.
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I'm there too. A few and I get sleepy. Why the F am I still awake?
What airline? I'm coming with the truck/snowplow. I'll bring a trailer if you're gonna set me up
Too bad the world ends in three days.
Is this thread now completely derailed? I think my work here may be done.
Depends on if BobbiLynn comes back or not...
I think I have the perfect brew in my glass...
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I'm there too. A few and I get sleepy. Why the F am I still awake?
What airline? I'm coming with the truck/snowplow. I'll bring a trailer if you're gonna set me up
Too bad the world ends in three days.
Is this thread now completely derailed? I think my work here may be done.
Yeah.... But would like to say before heading to bed, this topic was never about the actual machine, there are many machines... question was, do perfect things break? Or does that inherently make them not perfect?
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Here we go again... TAKE COVER!!! lol
Believe this has been covered already, yes?? Or do we need to go over it again??
Depends on if BobbiLynn comes back or not...
I think I have the perfect brew in my glass...
If/when she does, I suggest she ignores my posts...in her best interest...I will take the trip to see her wood splitter though.
My glass is now empty. I bid you goodnight. Over and out.
bobbilynn can't be real. No way. "She" is the most perfect troll ever to grace the internet.
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What part isn't real? I put my picture under my profile...
If anyone does want to come see the woodsplitter, just don't let my hubby hear you call it that!!!
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Yes, thank you!!
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And lastly, back to the troll costumes, they are nearly done.
The picture of me that I posted under my profile does not exist anywhere on the Internet, well, unless it's someone saying it's me. I'm real.
Did you think I only existed in your mind?
The picture of me that I posted under my profile does not exist anywhere on the Internet, well, unless it's someone saying it's me. I'm real.
Did you think I only existed in your mind?
I think this thread its on the wrong forum. Should be on a hydroponics forum.
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I think this thread its on the wrong forum. Should be on a hydroponics forum.
It's a Marlboro Light, trying to quit, but hey, you only live once right?
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Nah, the OP is mindless enough to make it work here.
I think that is a compliment, because, mindless=drunken ramblings. Am I right? Do I get a cookie?
I don't smoke but I've heard you get a wicked buzz from nicotine.
To answer the original question and get even more obtuse. In an infinite universe everything its possible, right? All possibilities must be true. So if we assume the universe is infinite, then a perfect machine that leaks has to exist. There I answered it -without pot too.
If you don't believe in an infinite universe - never mind.
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It's not infinate, it's just REALLY big...
Oh, and it's expanding faster than your waist-line.
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You're cut-off from cookies. We saw what you put in the last batch.
Marlboro my ascii... You sure about that?? Never know with those chicks from FL...
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An infinite universe would include both perfect and imperfect, because, ya know, it's infinite. So now I have a new question, does infinite mean it's perfect? Just because it runs forever, does that make it perfect?
It's not infinate, it's just REALLY big...
I don't know. I think string theory will back me up here.
Golddiggie
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I don't know. I think string theory will back me up here.
'brane theory is where there's infinite universes.
My 'brane breaks your strings. 
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It's not that there is an infinite universe, rather that there are an infinite number of universes.
Don't you guys keep up with astrophysics?
Don't you guys keep up with astrophysics?
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So, you mean like, perfect ones and imperfection ones? Sorry, I have had time to keep up with astrophysics lately.
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They're all beautiful in the dark baby.
IMO, it's not possible to have a 'perfect universe'... Well, at least not perfect for those who inhabit it. Eventually, the universe will either fall to entropy, or another will form when the 'brane it is on collides with another.
Think, BIG badda boom.
