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Old 06-23-2011, 02:00 PM   #1
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I have now made a couple kit beers, and I am about to make another, and want it to taste good. My last ones have had that cidery taste from the pound of dextrose I have been using, and I don't like it. I went on beer calculus and plugged in some stuff and just want to run it by you to see if I am on the right track.

1 can of coopers dark ale
3 pounds of amber LME from homebrewgearcanada
1 pound of maltodextrin
crystal 60L (can't remember the amount)
S-04 yeast.

one quarterpound of the crystal yields an OG of 1050, should I remove the maltodextrin and go straight malt, no sugar?

Beercalculus says my FG should be 1015, this seems really high, would it not attenuate down lower?

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Old 06-23-2011, 04:06 PM   #2
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I have now made a couple kit beers, and I am about to make another, and want it to taste good. My last ones have had that cidery taste from the pound of dextrose I have been using, and I don't like it. I went on beer calculus and plugged in some stuff and just want to run it by you to see if I am on the right track.

1 can of coopers dark ale
3 pounds of amber LME from homebrewgearcanada
1 pound of maltodextrin
crystal 60L (can't remember the amount)
S-04 yeast.

one quarterpound of the crystal yields an OG of 1050, should I remove the maltodextrin and go straight malt, no sugar?

Beercalculus says my FG should be 1015, this seems really high, would it not attenuate down lower?

thanks.
I'd lose the maltodextrine! It's a "thickener". My son used it in his rootbeer. I'm not sure what he did, but he must have used more than the 2 tablespoons- he made root beer Jello!

MD isn't a fermentable sugar. It's to provide body and mouthfeel, and makes the beer have more body. It will do no good in your beer!


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Old 06-23-2011, 04:46 PM   #3
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oh geez, I got it at the LHBS thinking I could replace my dextrose with it. OK, so if I leave it out does everything else look good?

 
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Old 06-23-2011, 04:59 PM   #4
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Are you adding hops?
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Old 06-23-2011, 05:17 PM   #5
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no hops, I assumed that the coopers kit would have enough in it. I added hops to another kit beer and it was hops overkill, so I am not planning on adding any.

 
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Old 06-23-2011, 07:13 PM   #6
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Your cidery flavor is more than likely not caused from using dextrose but from your method. If you would like to omit the sugar and use all malt it may help but only because it masks off flavors better then sugar.

Personally I would stick with something simple like using the Dark Ale kit with some lme and dextrose until you find what's causing the cidery taste. I would start by looking at your water and fermentation temps.

 
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One pound of dextrose isn't a lot,especially in a 6G cooper's batch. My 1st used the OS lager with 1kg (2.2lbs) of their brewing sugar (80%dextrose,20%maltodextrin). It eventually came out fine,despite my noobness.
That flavor is usually due to high pitch temps,& high ferment temps. I've since started making different styles with Cooper's cans. I change up what kind of DME I use,usually 3lbs. Then add 2 oz of different hops in 3 additions. Comes out fine bulk primed & bottle aged for the right time.
If I use DME,I don't add dextrose,& still wind up between 4.8%-5.3%+. The dark ale I'm just about done with now will be secondaried with 4oz of bourbon soaked oak chips. & the 1st FG test is already over 5.7%.
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oh geez, I got it at the LHBS thinking I could replace my dextrose with it. OK, so if I leave it out does everything else look good?
Yes, but I don't now how much bittering the Cooper's LME has. Leave out the MD (as it's NOT a replacement for sugar!) and use the extract you have. It should turn out fine!

Make sure you keep it under 68 degrees- S04 is a great yeast, but above 70 it gets very fruity.
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The dark ale can is part of the Original Series,meaning it only has a rather neutral bittering addition with Pride of Ringwood hops. And not a lot at that,since some say it has a creamy quality. I changed mine up so it could withstand the 4oz of French oak chips soaked with 5 jiggers of 8 year old bourbon the last couple of weeks that'll be added in secondary.
I brewed it with the provided ale yeast in a small starter,3lbs of Munton's plain amber DME,& 1oz each of Kent Golding & Haulertau hops in 3 additions. So it has a bit more malt body & hop aroma/flavors. The dark ale kit as is has no aroma/flavor hops.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:06 PM   #10
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Unionrdr, you say you add the hops in 3 additions...is this while you are boiling the LME?

I may go to the store and grab an ounce of hops to add too then...I want to get a baseline, so I won't add as much as you quite yet.



 
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