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Old 06-26-2009, 06:11 PM   #11
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there are malty black ipa's and then there is a normal ipa which is just darkened but there is no roasty or malty flavor contributions. The first one is very strange- when you get a dark beer you expect dark and they are very light and refreshing. Stones sublimly self righteous is pretty damn good- if you havent tried it i would try and get some for comparison


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Old 06-26-2009, 06:18 PM   #12
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Use dehusked Carafa to get a lot of color and deep malt flavor without the acrid/burnt notes of roasted barley or black patent.


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Old 06-26-2009, 08:27 PM   #13
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Use dehusked Carafa to get a lot of color and deep malt flavor without the acrid/burnt notes of roasted barley or black patent.
Agreed. I made the Stone 11 clone and it was fantastic. One of my buddies made it too and it turned out great.

The dehusked Carafa is the key. Just enough of a roasty note without turning it into a stout

 
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Old 06-27-2009, 12:45 AM   #14
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This sounds like the perfect beer for debittered black malt. Same thing as dehusked Carafa, just not trademarked.

 
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Old 06-27-2009, 02:39 PM   #15
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The dehusked Carafa is the key. Just enough of a roasty note without turning it into a stout
Got the ingredients from Brewmasters Warehouse yesterday and will be brewing one of these up this weekend using Pacman. This will be my third generation of Black Ale. In my opinion, it's been the best beer that I've brewed, but I can't help but tinker with the recipe each time.

 
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Old 06-27-2009, 04:10 PM   #16
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if you can get your hands on sinmar I'd use that. It liquid carafa special. Even legal under the german purity laws. little bit darkens the beer w/o the roasty flavors
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Old 06-27-2009, 07:12 PM   #17
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I am going to brew this up. It just looks like a ton of fun and I need to have this kind of beer in my repertoire(sp?). Accordingly I wrote up a 10gal batch recipe that is based off of Stone, just with ingredients that I have available

Black IPA

Estimated #s OG 1.090 / FG 1.018 / SRM 37 / IBU 113

30 lbs Pale Two-Row
3 lbs Victory
1.5 lbs Crystal 60L
1.5lbs Carafa III Special

5oz Magnum 60min (104 IBU)
2oz Centennial 5min (6 IBU)
2 oz Cascade 5 min (3 IBU)
2 oz each Simcoe and Amarillo Dry Hopped

US-05 yeast

I thank you all for showing me this idea because I was totally just thinking, WTF am I going to make next. This is it, along with an experimental brew with alternate bittering agents
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Old 06-28-2009, 01:31 AM   #18
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I had both the Stone and Iron Horse Black IPA's. Both were excellent. I also had a Black Pilsner by Scuttlebutt Brewing (Everett, WA) which was pretty awesome. The head brewer said that he used an brewing industry extract to get the color and flavor. I imagine he was talking about the liquid Carafa.

 
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Old 06-28-2009, 04:09 AM   #19
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Yeah, I have heard that SinMar is the industry standard, but as a homebrewer that stuff is hard hard hard to get. I want to see what I can make with ingredients readily available and then should I ever come upon some I would go there.

Had the Stone brew tonight. Delicious, though not as hopped as I want to go for.

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Old 06-28-2009, 07:14 AM   #20
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Stone's Sublimely Self-Righteous is the same as their XI Anniv for anyone wondering. Everyone liked it so much they made it a regular. Yep, not at all a hoppy stout. Hoppy stouts are very much stouts like Surly Darkness. The debittered carafa works wonders to give it just a little dark malt flavor to make you think, but keep it very much like an IPA.


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