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I just wanted to give everyone a public service announcement about deceptive business practices that Northern Brewer in order to increase the perceived value of the products they sell.

I don't know about you guys but I tend to put a lot of emphasis on user reviews. If I see a product has had some bad reviews I am usually much more hesitant to purchase it. Even 1 or 2 bad reviews can sometimes put up a "red flag" for me.

At the beginning of the month I submitted a user review for the Big Mouth Bubbler. The Big Mouth Bubbler I received is incapable of making an airtight seal. It's not the end of the world but the product description included this gem:

"Your wort is protected during fermentation by innovative flared-fitting lid construction, creating an airtight seal between the lid plate and top of the fermentor."

I submitted a very reasonable review of the big mouth bubbler, detailing that it was a good idea but was not designed properly and should have included a gasket in order to create a true airtight seal. I rated the product 1 star - I felt like even though it was a good idea the product did not work properly.

A month later the review is still not on their site. After doing a little more research I discovered that other people have had the same problem.

Northern Brewer will only post reviews that reflect their products in a positive light. They will not post any reviews of products that are "negative" or have lower than 3 stars.

Looking back this makes a ton of sense. I wondered why all the reviews on Northern Brewer seemed so high. I just thought it was that they offered good products that they would stand behind.

WRONG.

They just post the good reviews. How many reviews have they refused to post - your guess is as good as mine.

What I can tell you is that ANY product you read reviews about on Northern Brewer is not going to be accurate. You are literally only getting one side of the story.

I think it's an incredibly deceptive business practice. If other people have had problems with a product I WANT TO KNOW. That's the entire point of having a review system. They are supposed to help the user make an informed decision about the product they are buying.

The way Northern Brewer is using reviews is the opposite. They are using it to misinform the customer giving them a false impression about the quality of the product. Anyways, I was pretty shocked and disgusted to find out that Northern Brewer was taking part in this incredibly deceptive business practice and I thought you guys would like to know.

As for me, I will not be using Northern Brewer to buy anything again. I refuse to support a company that would engage in such deceptive behavior.
 
If only there were ways to post reviews by those who had less than favorable experiences with products other than on the product manufacturers/retailers websites ...
 
Old news. And NB is far from the only website that engages in customer review filtering. Always take reviews posting on any vendor's site with a grain of salt. They are in control of what gets posted, not the customer. That's why sites such as HBT are great places to get honest, unfiltered feedback.

I do understand the frustration though. This is just one of many reasons I no longer buy from Northern Brewer.
 
Supposedly Midwest does it too, not that it makes it right. Northern Brewer posted my review that had both good and bad things to say about the plastic Big Mouth Bubbler. I received a random call weeks later and a whole new bubbler as well a harness. Not saying they're awesome, just sharing my experience. I also know that when I buy something of substance, I try to find other reviews. IN the case of the BMB, it is hard since it's really something Midwest and Northern Brewer only sell, but for other things, I seek reviews elsewhere. Again, it is a shame if they moderate the comments that much, but they do not seem to care enough when news gets out to change their business practice.

I am curious, did you throw out a term like deceptive business practice in your review?
 
If only there were ways to post reviews by those who had less than favorable experiences with products other than on the product manufacturers/retailers websites ...

But that completely contradicts the idea of having a review section on the product page. If they want a "testimonials" section then by all means... If I see a "review" section on a product's page, it would be a fair assumption that those are reviews of product users, both good and bad, not just the good.
 
But that completely contradicts the idea of having a review section on the product page. If they want a "testimonials" section then by all means... If I see a "review" section on a product's page, it would be a *fair assumption that those are reviews of product users, both good and bad, not just the good.

*naive

Have seen lots of manufacturer/retailer websites only provide the favorable reviews. It's advertising. And it does not make sense to advertise unfavorable results.
 
Terrible business practice. Reviews are what customers often times rely upon to make purchasing decisions. Having those reviews "moderated" or flat-out omitted from their website is poor form, IMO.

...and, subbing in reviews from forums like this one is no substitution.
 
This really is slander..........This sort of thing should not be posted without first attempting to resolve the issue with customer service. Unless the company's representative is aware of your comments and in a position to respond / rebut, it's not appropriate at all to post a highly negative and harshly worded attack here.

I have no affiliation with NB, not even as a customer, but as a business person myself, I strongly object to this sort of thing. One pissed off customer can do a lot of damage... rightly or wrongly.

In good conscience I must demand that the moderator take this thread down in it's current form and that the poster make an effort to resolve his case and present it if necessary in a more appropriate form.


H.W.
 
I sent a negative review of a brand of bottle caps they sell. The review will never be seen. Hopefully they are looking into the poor quality of the caps, and the defective ones will no longer be sold.
 
I just wanted to give everyone a public service announcement about deceptive business practices that Northern Brewer in order to increase the perceived value of the products they sell.

I don't know about you guys but I tend to put a lot of emphasis on user reviews. If I see a product has had some bad reviews I am usually much more hesitant to purchase it. Even 1 or 2 bad reviews can sometimes put up a "red flag" for me.

At the beginning of the month I submitted a user review for the Big Mouth Bubbler. The Big Mouth Bubbler I received is incapable of making an airtight seal. It's not the end of the world but the product description included this gem:

"Your wort is protected during fermentation by innovative flared-fitting lid construction, creating an airtight seal between the lid plate and top of the fermentor."

I submitted a very reasonable review of the big mouth bubbler, detailing that it was a good idea but was not designed properly and should have included a gasket in order to create a true airtight seal. I rated the product 1 star - I felt like even though it was a good idea the product did not work properly.

A month later the review is still not on their site. After doing a little more research I discovered that other people have had the same problem.

Northern Brewer will only post reviews that reflect their products in a positive light. They will not post any reviews of products that are "negative" or have lower than 3 stars.

Looking back this makes a ton of sense. I wondered why all the reviews on Northern Brewer seemed so high. I just thought it was that they offered good products that they would stand behind.

WRONG.

They just post the good reviews. How many reviews have they refused to post - your guess is as good as mine.

What I can tell you is that ANY product you read reviews about on Northern Brewer is not going to be accurate. You are literally only getting one side of the story.

I think it's an incredibly deceptive business practice. If other people have had problems with a product I WANT TO KNOW. That's the entire point of having a review system. They are supposed to help the user make an informed decision about the product they are buying.

The way Northern Brewer is using reviews is the opposite. They are using it to misinform the customer giving them a false impression about the quality of the product. Anyways, I was pretty shocked and disgusted to find out that Northern Brewer was taking part in this incredibly deceptive business practice and I thought you guys would like to know.

As for me, I will not be using Northern Brewer to buy anything again. I refuse to support a company that would engage in such deceptive behavior.

IT does seem unfair to not post all the reviews, but did you contact Northern Brewer about your issue with the product? More than likely, they would have replaced it. I have both the glass and plastic BMB's and they are airtight. I do agree that its wrong to not post all the reviews, but IMO Northern Brewer's customer service makes up for that. Any time i have had an issue they fix the issue immediately. In my eyes, that's better than seeing reviews before I buy the product. There will always be defective products, even ones who only receive 5 star reviews, but if the company isn't willing to replace that defective product the reviews are useless.
 
I agree that it's deceptive, but I too would recommend contacting them. I had an early version of the Captain Crush that the staff thought may not have fully conformed to specs. They replaced it on the spot no questions asked despite the fact that I had cracked it. Though my own negligence.

I've always found their customer service to be top notch.
 
Regardless of whether you contact them to get a replacement, or get satisfaction, the review should still stand. You STILL got a subpar item, and people should know about it. If there is satisfaction from the service department, then that can be noted as well. Not posting negative reviews, even after customer service has done their good job, still hides the fact that there were problems, and how many problems there were.

For this reason I too am unwilling to purchase from NB or Midwest. There are a couple of items I'd like to order that they only seem to have on their sites, but I'll do without. I'd rather support a site that doesn't twist numbers to improve their image.
 
Reviews on a website site is there to assist in selling the product. If I go to NB, or any website and see good reviews, I then search a forum to see people's reaction to the product and then make my decision. Never use just one source.
 
I can't speak for the experience you've had with Northern Brewer, so I won't, however, I can say that whenever I've had an issue with them, their customer service made it right immediately.

Wanting to verify what you said, I went to their site, and looked around. Of the 35 reviews of the 6.5 gallon Big Mouth Bubbler, 3 -- 8.57% -- are negative reviews of less than 3 stars. The percentage is even higher on the 5 gallon, with 1 of the 4 reviews -- 25% -- being negative. In fact, the 10 Gallon brew bucket, linked below, has one review, of only one star.

http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/review/product/list/id/5102/category/20/

I'm not saying that they don't do SOME filtering on their products, but its clear that they don't filter out ALL the negative reviews.
 
I have had nothing but good dealings with NB. Including the two 6.5 gallon plastic Big Mouth Bubblers that I own.
 
If that is indeed going on, a lot of these places need to realize that there have been many studies that show that a product actually sells better if there are a few negative reviews. It add legitimacy to the ratings.
 
IT does seem unfair to not post all the reviews, but did you contact Northern Brewer about your issue with the product? More than likely, they would have replaced it. I have both the glass and plastic BMB's and they are airtight. I do agree that its wrong to not post all the reviews, but IMO Northern Brewer's customer service makes up for that. Any time i have had an issue they fix the issue immediately. In my eyes, that's better than seeing reviews before I buy the product. There will always be defective products, even ones who only receive 5 star reviews, but if the company isn't willing to replace that defective product the reviews are useless.

Yes, I was in contact with Gabe but he stopped responding to my emails. I sent 2 emails last week and haven't heard anything back.
 
David Kidd = Needs a V8

Entre Manure Partners = Spur new products, hype them up, make 'em in China and sell 'em at a premium.

Northern Brewer doesn't make negative reviews of their products public.

When Chris Farley sold out (make no mistake about it, it's because of money) everything went downhill fast. (Ohhhh, but wait he's still involved in day-to-day operations... what a joke.)

They trick people with fancy catalogs, smooth marketing and visions of grandeur.

Northern Brewer has turned into the AT&T of beer. A big call center to satisfy the unsuspecting consumer.
 
Old news. And NB is far from the only website that engages in customer review filtering. Always take reviews posting on any vendor's site with a grain of salt. They are in control of what gets posted, not the customer. That's why sites such as HBT are great places to get honest, unfiltered feedback.

I do understand the frustration though. This is just one of many reasons I no longer buy from Northern Brewer.

Exactly. While I think filtering posts to skew the reviews is disingenuous, it is after all, THEIR site.

Oftentimes, the decision over whether or not a review gets posted has more to do with its tone. I have successfully posted a few one and two star reviews on both Northern's and Midwest's sites. I carefully laid out the facts and gave ample details of what I think went wrong. No rhetoric, no ranting, no name-calling. This is how sites like Yelp and Angie's List decide what goes online and what doesn't. If the review is merely a rant and lacks substance, it does no one any good.
 
I am copying the OP from this thread into the existing Northern Brewer review thread. Its a review, from an actual customer, and belongs there. I'm closing this thread.

In keeping with HBT's rules for company reviews, we don't edit or delete reviews from actual customers. To be fair to companies, though, we also limit posts in the company review section to reviews and encourage members to keep the chatter about reviews, the back and forth about whether a review is fair or not, to a minimum. The bottom line is that members are smart enough to interpret reviews and for all the large companies, there are both positive and negative reviews.

And thank you for your reviews, its helpful to other members to know about your experiences.
 
Yes, I was in contact with Gabe but he stopped responding to my emails. I sent 2 emails last week and haven't heard anything back.

I would suggest calling them. They cant ignore a call and make sure to let them know you were not responded too. I dont doubt that they make it right.
 
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