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So I have great interest in brewing the odd traditional or historic beer. So I dredge the internets for any snippet I can of what beer used to be. I always say the most traditional thing about beer is ingenuity, just seeing what happens with this ingredient or that.

Then I got to wondering about precarbonation beer whilst finishing off a flat but tasty brew from a growler that hadn't been sealed properly. Flat beer, it had to happen.

However, I came to find that carbonation has been around for quite a while. The better people began sealing it up, the better and more carbed it got, and the longer it stayed that way. Been that way so long specifically formulating a flat recipe just for kicks has become moot. heh

Seems it was around, if not before, the 17th century that they figured out what to do to keep it carbed. And fancy rich folk got bottle conditioned ales back then.

So then I got to wondering about big ol' casks of yore. Carbed from the start and going flat as it was dispensed of course. In fact there's a growing movement from beer drinkers in the UK and a growing increase in producing cask conditioned ales just like way back when.

Anyhow just felt like sharing and takin up some forum space. lol
 
One old beer, well actually a couple, are Duke Ale, used to come in 7 oz. bottles, and Old Vienna, from Canada. OV tasted great up in Niagara Falls, Ont. but not too good in Ohio.
 
look into Gose beer (i think that's the right spelling) its kind of a dead style of beer made with salt. its starting to make a comeback in recent years.
 
Carbonation dates back to Ancient Egyptian times, using it from springs where it naturally occurs. In technology circles, it wasn't 'invented' until 1772 by Joseph Priestley by 'impregnating liquids with fixed air (carbon dioxide today)'. However, the egyptians used the carbonated water from the spring (already carbonated), whereas Joseph created the process of carbonating.

Joseph Priestley was born in Yorkshire, England on March 13, 1733. He was originally a preacher and a teacher, but he became interested in scientific experimentation and did important work in chemistry and electricity. In the mid-1760s, he lived near a brewery in Leeds and out of curiosity he began to study the clouds of gas produced by the fermenting process.

Priestley soon discovered that the gas produced by fermentation was the selfsame gas that other scientists called "fixed air." (We call it carbon dioxide today.) While experimenting with the gas, he found that it could be dissolved in water, resulting in a bubbly beverage. Priestley's precise invention was what we now know as seltzer or soda water.

Here's how Priestley's memoirs describe the reaction to his invention:

"My first publication on the subject of air was in 1772. It was a small pamphlet on the method of impregnating water with fixed air, which being immediately translated into French, excited a great degree of attention to the subject, and this was much increased by the publication of my first paper of experiments in a large article of the Philosophical Transactions [the official publication of the Royal Society, a scientific organization] the year following, for which I received the gold medal of the society."

As so often happens when a new substance is discovered, some people thought it might have miraculous medical properties. Priestley continues:

"My method of impregnating water with fixed air was considered at a meeting of the College of Physicians, before whom I made the experiments, and by them it was recommended to the Lords of the Admiralty (by whom they had been summoned for the purpose) as likely to be of use in [fighting] the sea scurvy."

Of course, his drink did nothing to help sailors suffering from scurvy, a condition brought on by bad diet. Still, the process that Priestley invented gave rise to all the carbonated drinks popular today.

He's also credited as being the co-discoverer of oxygen. http://inventors.about.com/od/pstartinventors/a/JosephPriestley.htm

Not bad for a preacher. ;)
 
I'll have to look around for that Gose beer.

As for the invention of carbonation, that's beyond my brewing inclinations, I'm not one for artificial processes. Why mess with something nature does on it's own for free? heh

Well it surely has it's place, especially with refining and expanding more controlled brewing techniques, but not in my brew house.

But the Egyptians are a perfect example of innovation being the most traditional thing about beer. "Hey Bob let's see what happens if we use that bubbly water from the spring!"
 
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