Boil length vs. Cold Break

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I haven't picked the collective HBT mind for a while, so I thought I'd ask...

From my understanding, cold break comes from water soluble and partially non-soluble proteins that are somehow modified during the boil and become non-soluble, hence precipitating after chilling.

Okay,
1. Is this correct?
2. Does increasing boil time increase the amount of cold break?
3. If it does, does this lead to clearer beer?

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1) i'm not 100% sure, but it sounds like a plausible explanation.
2) i haven't noticed a difference in 60 to 90 minute boils in the amount of cold break. i think more likely the speed at which you chill and whether or not you use irish moss/whirlfloc, etc in your boil, influences cold break.
3) i always get a nice, egg drop soup cold break from a whirlpool immersion chiller and whirlfloc and they do seem to have a large impact on how fast my beers clear after fermentation.
 
No, I'm talking about cold break. Isn't hot break the foam that sneaks up out of nowhere and boils all over the patio? Lol. Yeah, I'm talking about the sediment that settle after boiling. I know it includes hop particles and some grain stuffs, but I think it is a lot of protein, too. So that's what I'm wondering about.
 
No, I'm talking about cold break. Isn't hot break the foam that sneaks up out of nowhere and boils all over the patio? Lol. Yeah, I'm talking about the sediment that settle after boiling. I know it includes hop particles and some grain stuffs, but I think it is a lot of protein, too. So that's what I'm wondering about.

Yes, cold break material is made up of coagulated proteins.
 
Here is an exerpt from this BYO article:
Boiling’s effect on proteins
Under the favorable conditions of wort boiling, proteins and other polypeptides present in the wort will combine with polyphenols or tannins. The rate and extent to which this occurs is influenced by several factors. Since the meeting of the components depends on chance encounters, the rate is increased by the mixing action of the wort, and also by their relative concentrations. Protein-tannin complexes collide with other protein-tannin complexes and stick together until they achieve a certain mass and precipitate out of solution.

Boiling also can destroy a protein’s three-dimensional structure. Proteins are large molecules made from smaller molecules called amino acids. In a protein, amino acids are linked end to end to form a “string.” This string is coiled, folded and looped into a three-dimensional structure. In addition, some proteins are actually complexes formed from several different protein strands. The three-dimensional shape of a protein determines the protein’s function. Thus, when boiling destroys the three-dimensional shape of protein, it also destroys its function. (This is, in fact, why wort boiling stops enzyme functions. Enzymes are proteins.)

Protein and tannins are the primary constituents of the hot break in the kettle. The hot break is the brown scum that forms on top of the wort as boil approaches and is also known as hot trub. Its formation is aided by the addition of kettle finings, usually extracted from seaweed. Irish moss can be added to the kettle 15 minutes before the end of the boil; the moss is negatively charged and can attract positively charged proteins in the wort. Although boiling for extended periods can increase the amount of trub formed, boiling for too long creates “shear forces” that break up the larger flocs back into smaller ones, making their ultimate removal more difficult. Lower pH causes flocs to be larger and more stable, and the presence of calcium ions aids protein aggregation by binding proteins together.

Hot break must be removed so that the hot wort can be clear. Most commercial brewers whirlpool their wort and leave the hot break behind when the hot wort is moved to the heat exchanger. Other proteins are precipitated by cooling and this material is called cold break.

Cold break is very similar in makeup to hot break except that the flocs are much smaller. Opinion is divided on the need to remove this prior to fermentation. Some brewers feel that removal provides cleaner flavor, but cold break contains some unsaturated fatty acids required for yeast nutrition.

It is generally accepted that hot break should not go into the fermenter but there is not such a consensus on cold break. Unless you chill really well most of your trub is hot break anyway.
 
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