Thirdeye, this needs to stop right now. HBT is not about slamming other countries or the people from them. We are better than that.
uglygoat said:word.
men used to settle their disputes with their fists, my old man did, as did his, as did us boys. never had a gun, never felt the need to have one.
RichBrewer said:Thirdeye, this needs to stop right now. HBT is not about slamming other countries or the people from them. We are better than that.
uglygoat said:how many crack heads do you have busting down your door in canberra? i've lived in a tough, poverty stricken city for the duration of my formative years, and during most of my adulthood, and i've never come across your scenario. nor have i ever needed a fire arm to protect myself or my family, or solve my problems. a few arse kickings have been good enough to take care of our troubles.
i don't advocate gun control, nor do i see a need for myself to have one. live by the sword die by the sword... etc.
Pugilist said:Personal attacks ruin threads like this thirdeye. If someone differs in opinion, respect their right to their opinion. I am sure Orfy was being tongue in cheek with his "take it outside" comment. As I stated earlier, there are some great ideas/opinions being put up here, lets keep it educational and listen to what the other guy has to say.
People thinking only their line of reasoning is right is probably part of the reason these things are happening.
Here in Texas you have to pass a VERY stringent background check to be able to carry concealed. No felonies, no misdemeanors, no substance abuse, no psych problems, etc. You are fingerprinted and both the local and FBI run checks. This is after 10 hours of training and a written and practical exam.
CHL holders tend to be the most law abiding citizens out there (at least in Texas) due to the process to obtain the privilege.
z987k said:Oh I don't have time to read the whole thread but I figured I'd put my 2 cents in anyways.... it seems like we are in a bit of an agreement though, and this comes from what a lot of people would consider a "liberal"... gun control laws only hurt the law abiding citizen.
And if I lived in a state that allowed it, I'd have one... would I carry all the time... probably not, but it sure seems there is becoming more and more of a need.
The thing is, if the criminals are the only ones with the guns who's to stop them from doing whatever they want, you can't have a police officer on every corner(which brings up another bag of worms.)
Basically people don't like getting shot. This goes for criminals and law abiding citizens alike. If there is a damn good chance the person is going to get shot back at right away they will think a lot more before carrying out something like this.
uglygoat said:condensed matter? like lead hitting solid skull? :rockin:
that seems like a funny reason to turn down grad school. I mean you can move away as soon as your done.... I know I'm going to get the hell out of this state as soon as I can.... but not because of gun laws.Thirdeye said:Ya know, I am one of the most socially liberal people you will ever meet. However, I hardly EVER vote that way and the number one reason is liberal politicians and their "feel good" gun laws. Look at D.C. Even with the gun ban, its still one of the most violent cities in the country. Most gun control laws only empower criminals.
Its funny that youre from Illinois. I was accepted to grad school there at UI Urbana Champagne, into the physics department for condensed matter, number one ranked condensed matter physics school in the country.
Turned it down, simply bc of the gun laws.
talleymonster said:'Nuff Said.
Not mine, but my buddies collection. My personal colection is slightly smaller.
z987k said:that seems like a funny reason to turn down grad school. I mean you can move away as soon as your done.... I know I'm going to get the hell out of this state as soon as I can.... but not because of gun laws.
BTW, I am from UIUC.... where the shooter went to grad school so we're hearing all about this everywhere.
uglygoat said:feck... i don't have a fire extinguisher in my house either, nor have i ever had one....
z987k said:that seems like a funny reason to turn down grad school. I mean you can move away as soon as your done.... I know I'm going to get the hell out of this state as soon as I can.... but not because of gun laws.
BTW, I am from UIUC.... where the shooter went to grad school so we're hearing all about this everywhere.
donner said:It's funny to hear all the people claim that all the problems with violence would be solved by removing the guns. I've lived in three states that allow its citizens to carry concealed weapons if they choose to and complete the required background checks and training. I've also lived in a state, oklahoma, where a guy with a grudge filled a Ryder Truck full of ammonia nitrate and diesel fuel and parked it outside the federal building.
Crazy people will always find a way to do the harm that they seek, be in through a gun, a knife, a truck or a subway in London.
uglygoat said:how many crack heads do you have busting down your door in canberra?
landhoney said:I need to get a gun. Seriously, just for home protection. Basically this post is IB4TL, but I'm not for increased gun control. I will say olllllo's words in threads like these often put things in perspective and coool everybody down. olllllo......?
orfy said:The laws are ****ed up here. If some one breaks into my house and the dogs bites the then I can be sued. I am not allowed to attack a burgular!!!
I come across an intruder in my house I will end up in jail because I will put him in hostpital (If he doesn't have a gun)
orfy said:The laws are ****ed up here. If some one breaks into my house and the dogs bites the then I can be sued. I am not allowed to attack a burgular!!!
I come across an intruder in my house I will end up in jail because I will put him in hostpital (If he doesn't have a gun)
Bernie Brewer said:Same fckued up laws here, Orfy.
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