LOL... I forgot about Sacc runnin' down the street with the backpack.
That restaurant owner guy was actually really cool to talk to for a bit and the whole, "here, try this wine" was comical. Soper's drinking Stone's Anniversary hop bomb of a beer and then takin tiny sips of this red wine... "hmmm. Yeaaah, I'm picking up some nice hints here and there".
The next 3 pics are Soperbrew eating Goulash at the Peirogi truck in the middle of the night.
I saw you a couple of times and you always sd this mildly pissed iff look on your face so I didn't say hi. I figure... if someone is in a bad mood, running into me raises that to the nineth power. Its a bad scene.
Really? I dunno about you, but I paid something like $190 to attend these seminars, and they were closed to anyone not attending the conference. I am not sure WHO owns the content rights...that is, whether it is the speaker or the AHA or the attendees, but at the very least you could consider this content work-for-hire and proprietary.
I think it is very nice that AHA puts up the powerpoints on their website, but I don't think they are obligated to make it freely available to the public by any means, especially to non-AHA members and/or non-conference attendees.
They arent obligated to but they do it anyway. Whoever made the recording owns the rights to the recording. Notes and recordings are encouraged during the conference. There would be a gray area if someone was going to try to market and profit from these recordings but that is obviously not the case here.
They arent obligated to but they do it anyway. Whoever made the recording owns the rights to the recording. Notes and recordings are encouraged during the conference. There would be a gray area if someone was going to try to market and profit from these recordings but that is obviously not the case here.
would you likely give permission or deny permission if asked?
I would likely give permission, but it would depend on how it was done, who was asking, and what the intended end use was. If it was already posted and then I was asked, I would deny permission.
CLUBS have REGULAR meetings, bylaws or a charter of some kind, and events. Many CLUBS hold regional competitions, which further the hobby. CLUBS also hold preparatory classes and host BJCP Exams, without which the NHC would be impossible.
CLUBS have people working to further the hobby, to educate new brewers and further the education of old brewers. My CLUB is the oldest club in the country, I'm in my 11th year on the Board of Directors, and I can tell you that a real CLUB has a core of volunteers that put in a lot of time between meetings, tastings, etc, and THAT is the kind of CLUB that the award was originally intended to recognize. Now, my club has not been in serious contention for the COTY for many years, we just don't have that many people entering the NHC, but that's besides the point.
While I've never presented at NHC, I have given plenty of tech talks at various forums for my day job and the ownership of the delivered material remains that of the presenter but the "performance" or organized access to it is under the control of the forum admin. In other words, that specific audio delivery wouldn't have happened if the AHA did not set it up.
lol!!i would visit that forum
From what I know of copyright law (having taken entertainment law classes on the subject and keep up with this kind of stuff since I tape every concert I attend for private listening) I don't think this is completely true.
There's only one copyright holder, rights aren't split like you mention above. You can't copyright a performance, you can only copyright a fixed medium, ie: novel, drawing, sound recording, etc. If a work is related to employment (ie, you work for a company and it's within the scope of your job duties) or it's commissioned and it's in writing that its work for hire, the presenter/author has no legal copyright claim unless the contract says otherwise. Presentations at an AHA Conference may or may not be AHA property depending on whatever contracts are signed...:
§ 201. Ownership of copyright
Works Made for Hire. In the case of a work made for hire, the employer or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author for purposes of this title, and, unless the parties have expressly agreed otherwise in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the rights comprised in the copyright.
Then there's the separate issue with the recording ownership... Whoever recorded it owns the rights to the recording as long as the copyright holder is respected. That means the owner of the recording can sell his recording to another person/company or give it away but the cannot sell copies of, reproduce, distribute or publicly perform it without permission from whoever owns the copyright.
Really? Not even passes to club night or hotel for the night?There are no contracts signed, there is no remuneration. Not even compensation for expenses. All presenters are there at their own expense to help out the brewing community.
Well I guess my old "club" wasn't one at all. We had no regular meetings, no dues, didn't host a competition or BJCP exams. We had no charter or bylaws. But, they ARE recognized by the AHA. We just got together and brewed every now and then. Two Mid-South Homebrewers of the Year came from our <10 person club. My club allowed me to take home a silver in the second round of the Nationals in 2009. But since we're not a club according to your asinine rules, I guess it doesn't matter. Right?
TBN is a forum that many homebrewers use to further the hobby through education. Many brewers don't have local clubs that they can just go visit. Get off your damn jealous high horse. Even Gordon Strong said it right, "if you don't like it, brew better beer."
They're not a club and like I was saying before, they'll just continue to be met with a ton of eyerolls and sarcastic, "congrats. Bang up job guys" comments while 40 people who've never met each other rush the stage and high five each for winning a total sham of an award.
No one is saying they aren't a great "forum that many homebrewers use to further their hobby"... all people are saying is its a total sham for them to win "club of the year". And really? These folks are that hard up for some sort of an award that they have to game the system so they can have a " yeaay, we won club of the year" logo on the website??
Again, bang up job guys. Congrats.
Really? Not even passes to club night or hotel for the night?
Bylaws are important!
They're not a club and like I was saying before, they'll just continue to be met with a ton of eyerolls and sarcastic, "congrats. Bang up job guys" comments while 40 people who've never met each other rush the stage and high five each for winning a total sham of an award.
No one is saying they aren't a great "forum that many homebrewers use to further their hobby"... all people are saying is its a total sham for them to win "club of the year". And really? These folks are that hard up for some sort of an award that they have to game the system so they can have a " yeaay, we won club of the year" logo on the website??
Again, bang up job guys. Congrats.
That's fine and a valid argument. I was just find it hilarious that someone thinks bylaws and what-not are required for a club. If your club is all uppity like that, then it's probably not the club for me. Everyone's different, that's all I was trying to get at.
Wow, didn't realize having bylaws made a club all uppity. I guess I'm seriously going to have to rethink my club. Maybe not, I probably will bring it up at the next meeting though. Hey guys, it has been brought to my attention that we are all uppity. Why would we be like that?!?!?
Bylaws are important!
Yah CHUG is probably one of the most uppity clubs in San Diego for sure. You can tell by their by-laws. LOL
Thou shalt be uppity.
What's really classy about the CHUG bylaws is the ring at the bottom of the page where someone rested their glass/can/bottle. It shows that, when it comes to beer, they mean business!
We know it'll never happen, so we didn't really need to write it downI think that was from our Emperor's (Carnevoodoo) pint he chugged in 0.25seconds...Nautical nut brown from Ale smith I think it was.
Come to think of it there is the one by law that is not on that, if you can chug faster than the emperor you become emperor,but i guess thats just and unwritten law.
Well I guess my old "club" wasn't one at all. We had no regular meetings, no dues, didn't host a competition or BJCP exams. We had no charter or bylaws. But, they ARE recognized by the AHA. We just got together and brewed every now and then. Two Mid-South Homebrewers of the Year came from our <10 person club. My club allowed me to take home a silver in the second round of the Nationals in 2009.
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