Qhrumphf said:I was wondering the same thing.
I got 7 on the Honey Ale. Didn't work out the porter though.
Qhrumphf said:I was wondering the same thing.
I got 7 on the Honey Ale. Didn't work out the porter though.
TimpanogosSlim said:Yeah, in brewtarget i am using a 5.0g batch though.
Also i am assuming that "amber crystal malt" is crystal 60
We are both talking about 6.6lbs of pale LME, 16oz of honey, and steeping grains, right?
Brewtarget is under the impression that steeping grains don't add much in the way of fermentable sugars, and i tend to agree with it. If i tell it that the crystal and biscuit will be mashed, it goes all the way to 1.063 OG and 5.7 ABV.
I've never used brewtarget for extract brewing, as i don't brew with extract. I'm not sure if it needs me to define anything on the mash tab.
You're missing a pound of light DME.
TimpanogosSlim said:Using a high attenuating yeast does bring it to a 6.9% ABV, which was probably the mistake the commentator in the article made.
A friend and I are going to brew the Honey Ale in a couple weeks. He's gonna run the numbers based on his system, but we're looking at 9ish pounds base malt. We're debating using US 2-row or Maris Otter (without knowing the extract, I'm guessing either Briess or Muntons based on the weights given). We're also close enough that getting some honey from a local farmers market should be fairly close to the White House honey.
We were also debating what "amber crystal malt" means. I don't think it's amber malt. We're thinking a mid-range Crystal. Probably going with C60L.
as English as the rest of the recipe is, I'm assuming English amber/medium/crystal-II crystal malt
40L to high-50L, usually topping at 57
any American 40 or 60 rating or a mix of the two will get you close
(two cultures separated by a common language)
I had actually suggested English 55L/medium crystal. He's already got plenty of American 60, so that'll be close enough.
SouthBay said:I'm glad they released them, and will likely try them. I dont even brew extract, but i'll give them a shot! Now, i need to source white house honey .....
MisterTipsy said:I'll bet Stalin had a mean RIS recipe.
TimpanogosSlim said:Is anyone else disturbed by the hop utilization in these recipes? I finally plugged the porter recipe into brewtarget as described, and with a partial boil the IBU is just 15.7 - IBU/GU is 0.26 which is right past malty all the way to sweet.
as a full boil it is a more respectable 26.1 0.43 ("slightly malty")
A number of (relatively recent) experiments have convincingly demonstrated that gravity only very slightly affects hop utilization, which would indicate that all these models vastly underestimate the IBUs for partial boils. The difference has been found to be so slight, that it's better to just use the current algorithms by treating everything as a full boil. The only time it may be more than just a tiny bit off is when you're approaching the saturation point, though at that point you'd be unlikely to perceive the difference anyways.
A number of (relatively recent) experiments have convincingly demonstrated that gravity only very slightly affects hop utilization, which would indicate that all these models vastly underestimate the IBUs for partial boils. The difference has been found to be so slight, that it's better to just use the current algorithms by treating everything as a full boil. The only time it may be more than just a tiny bit off is when you're approaching the saturation point, though at that point you'd be unlikely to perceive the difference anyways.
Yooper said:Yes, I agree. SG has no bearing on the hops utilization.
The only time I"ve seen IBUs really differ is in a beer like an IPA or any partial boil where more IBUs are desired.
That doesn't have anything to do with gravity, though- it's just that the most you can ever get in solution is +/- 100 IBUs or so. (That's when the wort is saturated with hop oils and can no longer isomerize them.). That's usually plenty, of course, but if you want a 70 IBU beer, it's impossible to do with a 2.5 gallon boil for a 5 gallon batch. The reason is simple, it's that even if you manged to get 100 IBUs in 2.5 gallons, adding 2.5 gallons of 0 IBU water would mean a max of 50 IBUs total. I think that is why IPAs and barleywines can be disappointing with a partial boil- they just don't have enough bittering.
But for beers that are 50 IBUs or under, I see no problem with treating it all like a full boil and calculating IBUs that way.
Very funny.
But the only sensible place for that extra ounce of fuggles is 45 minutes, with the EKG. brings the bittering into the right range for an ESB.
TimpanogosSlim said:Very funny.
But the only sensible place for that extra ounce of fuggles is 45 minutes, with the EKG. brings the bittering into the right range for an ESB.
I'll add these to my ever expanding list of presidential beer recipes not worth brewing.
I want Napoleon's recipe!
CBMbrewer said:What other presidential beer recipes do you have?
I'd be careful with using Porter LME and the steeping grains as listed. The LME will already have some of those grains and you may end up over doing it.
For what it's worth, I never use anything but the lightest extract I can find and build up the color and flavor with grains.
For the honey ale northern brewer.com put the 1.5 ounces of Fuggles at 15 minutes.
http://www.northernbrewer.com/documentation/beerkits/WhiteHouseHoneyAle.pdf
TimpanogosSlim said:Kit instructions are always wrong. It's the law or something.
TimpanogosSlim said:Kit instructions are always wrong. It's the law or something.
emjay said:I have never used kits or their instructions, but there's only one company whose kit instructions I've consistently heard positive things about, and that's Northern Brewer
bottlebomber said:Except for where it says that you should ferment all beers for 2 weeks before moving to a 4 week secondary, bottle, and then start drinking 1-2 weeks later other than that not too bad.
emjay said:Meh, I don't secondary but those instructions seem fine for most styles, if not a bit short on carbonation times.
It's not a law. Just an executive order.
DaBills said:OMG lol.
DaBills said:LoLoL good one.
Sir, your balls must have descended THIS low, in order to post in the forum.
This.
Obama is not a home brewer. He drinks beer. The only reason this is a story is because a lot of folks with more free time on their hands than sense, made it a story.
Oh yeah, there is nothing wrong with extract beer. Lets not eat our own. Extract makes great beer. However, as the leader of the free world, you would think that the Pentagon, or the Military Industrial Complex, could devise a a killer single tier, 20 gal, three vessle system.......
.... Oh sorry, Lonnie already did that.
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