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Old 04-23-2013, 08:43 PM   #851
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anybody do a partial mash version of this...i'm looking to give it a shot

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Old 04-23-2013, 08:51 PM   #852
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Just convert the base malts to extract. Saving the crystal malts & the like for steeping.

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Old 04-23-2013, 09:06 PM   #853
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well i was going to brew the version of it that was this:
8.5 lbs Pale Malt
1 lbs Munich Malt
1 lb. Wheat Malt
0.75 lb. Caramel Malt 20L

so you're saying keep the 0.75 caramel as grain and convert the rest to dry extract? thats very little grain, i usually do my PMs will around 4-5 lbs of grain

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Old 04-23-2013, 09:37 PM   #854
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well i was going to brew the version of it that was this:
8.5 lbs Pale Malt
1 lbs Munich Malt
1 lb. Wheat Malt
0.75 lb. Caramel Malt 20L

so you're saying keep the 0.75 caramel as grain and convert the rest to dry extract? thats very little grain, i usually do my PMs will around 4-5 lbs of grain
I would replace 5# 2-row with 3.1# Pilsen DME (or 3.7# LME). Then you could mash 3.5# 2-row, 1# wheat, and 1# Munich.

Note: I assumed the recipe you cite had 70% efficiency.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:07 PM   #855
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nice thanks!

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Old 05-02-2013, 01:28 AM   #856
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I am planning to brew this for the 2nd this weekend also. Three changes:

1. Moving to caramel 40 from 60.
2. Moving the 45 min. EKG addition to first wort hops.
3. Changed to all grain. Replaced extracts w/ 10# 2-row.

I am brewing this for a Knights of Columbus social. These guys are old so I am hoping for a slightly lighter colored less bitter beer.

The change to all grain is just to save money.
My second batch of White House Honey Ale has turned out to be a fuggles bomb. Not bad but not what I remember. I think moving the 45 min EKG addition to first wort hops may have screwed it up. That or maybe I fermented it too cold (about 62F). At 5 weeks in the keg it has none of the jasmine or other flavors attributedto the honey. Also it seems slightly cloying or at least it seems to need a more bitter finish.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:58 PM   #857
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My second batch of White House Honey Ale has turned out to be a fuggles bomb. Not bad but not what I remember. I think moving the 45 min EKG addition to first wort hops may have screwed it up. That or maybe I fermented it too cold (about 62F). At 5 weeks in the keg it has none of the jasmine or other flavors attributedto the honey. Also it seems slightly cloying or at least it seems to need a more bitter finish.
Did you add all the Fuggles right at the end? That seems like a big addition. There was an earlier (incorrect?) version of the recipe that had a smaller addition of Fuggles at the end, which seemed a little more balanced.

Would it make sense to split the second addition into a 30 minute and flameout? Or 30 and flameout, or 15 and flameout? Might add some bitterness? Just thinking out loud.
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I added 1.5oz of fuggles at 1 min remaining in the boil. It is a lot but I did the same on my first batch.

There were lots of changes between the 2 batches so I am not sure what caused what.

Changes:
Extract to All grain
4 pts lower OG (efficiency miss)
UK fuggles to US fuggles
EKG to US Goldings
Biscuit to Victory
Moved Golding to First Wort Hops from 45 min addition
C60 to C40

This is probably the definition of changing too many things at once. But mostly this is what the LHBS had in stock.

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Old 05-05-2013, 01:40 AM   #859
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My second batch of White House Honey Ale has turned out to be a fuggles bomb. Not bad but not what I remember. I think moving the 45 min EKG addition to first wort hops may have screwed it up.

That or maybe I fermented it too cold (about 62F).

....Also it seems slightly cloying or at least it seems to need a more bitter finish.

There is a lot of debate about FWH and what you get isomerized out of it. That would be the most significant flavor change you made of the changes you mentioned.
I still don't understand how it can be a " Fuggles bomb" AND not be bitter enough though...
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:23 AM   #860
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Because the fuggles was all added at 1 min remaining in the boil. By fuggles bomb I means it had lots of fuggles flavor.

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