WLP009 Austrailian Ale alternative vendors

[jekeane]

Not sure what white labs is doing with their vault and seasonal releases. I have been trying to get my hands on this strain for awhile now but haven't had any luck. Anyone know of any other manufactures that have it under another name?

 

[wileaway]

That strain is from Coopers, so it is said.

Here is one source.

I'm sure you can find some old threads on this site with comparisons between the dry and liquid versions, and chances are they don't behave quite the same. Never heard of anyone else making a liquid version.

I would def be interested in a vault release if White Labs saw fit to dig some out.

 

[ba-brewer]

I brewed with wlp009 after it was released last summer. As soon as I tasted the beer it reminded me of some beers I made many years ago(early 1980s) with dry yeast. I cant say for sure if it was coopers or not but there was a dried yeast that produced the same flavors.

 

[wileaway]

Just looked at this amazing genetic research-based resource that I found in a nearby thread, and going from that, 009 is not the same as Coopers after all! tmyk

 

[ba-brewer]

I see in the table wlp009 is identified as not what was expected, but without a dry yeast to compare too. Looking over the DNA tree I could not find cooper's yeast explicitly identified , but it could one of the yeasts with a code name I am not sure though.
http://www.mrmalty.com/yeast.htm
http://beer.suregork.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Brewing_yeast_tree_Oct_2019.pdf

@dmtaylor How was it determined that WLP009 did not match expections, was it by it's position/relation in the DNA family tree or some other way?

 

[kingmatt]

I recently brewed an Australian Sparkling Ale and wasn't able to locate any WLP009 either, so I went with WLP023 (Burton Ale) and it turned out great.

 

[jekeane]

White Labs is releasing 009 later this month as a fundraiser for the Australia wild fires.

 

[dmtaylor]

Just looked at this amazing genetic research-based resource that I found in a nearby thread, and going from that, 009 is not the same as Coopers after all! tmyk

Thanks for the nod.

I's gonna say, Wyeast 1335 British Ale II and WLP025 are genetically very similar to WLP009 if looking for alternatives. Not same. Similar.

I see in the table wlp009 is identified as not what was expected...
@dmtaylor How was it determined that WLP009 did not match expections, was it by it's position/relation in the DNA family tree or some other way?

Source is about 2/3 of the way down the following page:

http://beer.suregork.com/?p=4030

 

[ba-brewer]

Thanks for the nod.

I's gonna say, Wyeast 1335 British Ale II and WLP025 are genetically very similar to WLP009 if looking for alternatives. Not same. Similar.



Source is about 2/3 of the way down the following page:

http://beer.suregork.com/?p=4030

Seeing how there is a new tree is that information still valid?
http://beer.suregork.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Brewing_yeast_tree_Oct_2019.pdf

There is quite of bit of movement of strains between the two trees. I dont think I see coopers in the new tree.


edit: flavor wise wlp025 and wlp009 are quite different. WLP009 seems to flocculate much better too. I think wlp025 and wlp076(old Sonoma, not in tree) seem fairly similar.

edit2: Looks like branches with wlp025 and wlp009 maybe were just shown in the different order making them look different. Still cant find coopers though.