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Don't think this is much of a win in the long run but it could get some folks through a platform transition...

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...installing-windows-11-on-unsupported-hardware
I always just used Rufus and had it checked off to skip the hardware check. Admittedly, that will not work for an in-place upgrade to 11 from 10, without wiping data & apps, and I've not run into any update that refused to run due to lack of TPM 2.0, but it doesn't meant I won't.
 
platform transition
"platform transition" may be something to seriously consider just after Labor Day 2025
  • although the fall (August 2025) back to school/college sales may be interesting, and
  • for $30, one can "kick the can down the road" until Oct 2016.
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Maybe - but how much is the question. There are quite a few processor and platform feature dependencies in the original W11 requirements. They could relax just the latest set, or go further back in time.

I have two desksides and a laptop built/purchased around 2010 that haven't met the requirements to this point. I actually built a new deskside this year because of that, and assumed I'd have to build a 2nd new deskside and maybe pick up a new lap top in 2025. I'd be quite surprised if any of the old three get lit up with W11.

Poor quality article to not even touch on the possibilities, never mind list specifics...

Cheers!

My main gripe is that I dropped $600 on a mini computer with a snappy (at the time) I7-5500U processor and 500M SSD back in 2018. Sure, 6 years is a lifetime in computing years but I'm running a web page, email client, and spotify all day every day on it. I don't need a new machine for any other reason than OS abandonment.
 
My main gripe is that I dropped $600 on a mini computer with a snappy (at the time) I7-5500U processor and 500M SSD back in 2018. Sure, 6 years is a lifetime in computing years but I'm running a web page, email client, and spotify all day every day on it. I don't need a new machine for any other reason than OS abandonment.
Well, Microsoft has a huge revenue stream they need to maintain, and forcing users to buy new machines helps that along.

Brew on :mug:
 
Well well well. Look what appeared this morning now that Steam replaced "EasyCheat" with "BattlEye" this week and I turned off Auto HDR...

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There are still a baker's dozen issues with it still extant on the MS 24H2 known problems web page.

But I have a fresh clone of my M.2 NVME boot device...
I just might pull the trigger on 24H2 after doing some additional backup stuff (paranoia strikes deep) :oops:

Cheers!
 
Well well well. Look what appeared this morning now that Steam replaced "EasyCheat" with "BattlEye" this week and I turned off Auto HDR...

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There are still a baker's dozen issues with it still extant on the MS 24H2 known problems web page.

But I have a fresh clone of my M.2 NVME boot device...
I just might pull the trigger on 24H2 after doing some additional backup stuff (paranoia strikes deep) :oops:

Cheers!
I haven't had any issues but I'm not a heavy user or game player, I just surf the web mostly and use excel for my brewing software
 
I haven't had any issues but I'm not a heavy user or game player, I just surf the web mostly and use excel for my brewing software

Same. I've put it on 3 PC's now, and along with "Start11" to move my taskbar to the left and do a few other things, it's been fine.

I don't love the "style" and icon spacing and such, but some of those I've hacked through the registry. For some reason they've felt the need to spread everything apart. The rest will simply have to be dealt with.
 
Well well well. Look what appeared this morning now that Steam replaced "EasyCheat" with "BattlEye" this week and I turned off Auto HDR...

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There are still a baker's dozen issues with it still extant on the MS 24H2 known problems web page.

But I have a fresh clone of my M.2 NVME boot device...
I just might pull the trigger on 24H2 after doing some additional backup stuff (paranoia strikes deep) :oops:

Cheers!
You and everyone else.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/20/microsoft_to_force_windows_11/
 
Saw that but I actually had two blocks holding me up. You can actually test to see if a system can install 24H2, by using its ISO. I did that last week and it said I had to wait for Steam to switch anti-cheat programs, and when they finally did that's when I dropped the Auto HDR setting - which I assume will eventually get fixed.

Just finishing up cloning my data drives to backups, on top of our NAS doing essentially that 24/7, but I like to have at least two ways to recover from drive failures or corruptions. Then I think I'll give 24H2 a try...

By the way: for folks that have installed 24H2 as an update (not a fresh install) how long has it taken to complete?

Cheers!
 
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Aaaaaand we're back! :rock:

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So far it seems the 24H2 update was a painless hour and ten minutes of download and installation, with just a single reboot at the very end - which surprised me considering the size and scope that this update allegedly entails. I'll need to do some regression testing - starting with my NAS stuff, and the Macrium Reflect I use for drive cloning and image backups and that has saved my ample arse for years, then giving my air combat and car racing games a go. Fun!

Cheers!
 
Ok, first bump in the 24H2 road: my CyberPower UPS management software PowerPanel Personal Edition had a stroke and was commanding the UPS to go in and out of self-test every few minutes along with issuing emails to me letting me know :oops: . Wild! Had to kill its processes, uninstall it, and download and install an updated version (if anyone runs into this, I went from version 2.5.1 to 2.6.1) which fixed it up again.

That was crazy!

Also, I run a handful of desktop "gadgets" - the things MS removed from W11 but some folks have kept alive - monitoring the processor, storage drives and network - and noticed the processor E-units (for up to 24 threads) seem busier than before this update. It may be related to the Indexer - that's definitely much more active than normal and it's using at least 4 threads itself - so it may eventually chill out...

Cheers!
 
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Ok, first bump in the 24H2 road: my CyberPower UPS management software PowerPanel Personal Edition had a stroke and was commanding the UPS to go in and out of self-test every few minutes along with issuing emails to me letting me know :oops: . Wild! Had to kill its processes, uninstall it, and download and install an updated version (if anyone runs into this, I went from version 2.5.1 to 2.6.1) which fixed it up again.

That was crazy!

Also, I run a handful of desktop "gadgets" - the things MS removed from W11 but some folks have kept alive - monitoring the processor, storage drives and network - and noticed the processor E-units (for up to 24 threads) seem busier than before this update. It may be related to the Indexer - that's definitely much more active than normal and it's using at least 4 threads itself - so it may eventually chill out...

Cheers!
your right on the indexing, I'm guessing it has to reindex everything and go through security checks and certify all the old paths, you know security and usability don't actually work flawlessly together, good luck
 
I played around testing various hardware and programs and so far haven't run into any other issues (fingers crossed). Still have a lot to go through, and then have to refresh my clones and backup images, but so far so good.

I will say, however, I haven't seen anything that was "changed", in fact I'd be hard pressed to list even one thing that seems different than pre-24H2...

Cheers!
 
Ran into a glitch this evening dropping into War Thunder. 7.1 audio through my headphones was muddy AF when in the actual battle mode. Finished out the round then exited out and re-entered, sound was then fine. There have been reports of similar behavior. Haven't seen anything new wrt Realtek audio drivers but perhaps it's not their problem to solve.

Anyway, wondering "what changed with 24H2", it appears to be mostly "under the hood", and the actual gui changes happen in subsequent updates to the 24H2 base OS, particularly build 26100.3025 (with the base 24H2 update I am now at 2894 as shown in the screen cap above). That kit is still in the pre-broad-channel state but it's expected to be kicked out in a week or so...

Cheers!
 
Ran into a glitch this evening dropping into War Thunder. 7.1 audio through my headphones was muddy AF when in the actual battle mode. Finished out the round then exited out and re-entered, sound was then fine. There have been reports of similar behavior. Haven't seen anything new wrt Realtek audio drivers but perhaps it's not their problem to solve.

Anyway, wondering "what changed with 24H2", it appears to be mostly "under the hood", and the actual gui changes happen in subsequent updates to the 24H2 base OS, particularly build 26100.3025 (with the base 24H2 update I am now at 2894 as shown in the screen cap above). That kit is still in the pre-broad-channel state but it's expected to be kicked out in a week or so...

Cheers!
the sound system has changed for sure I forgot to say that, I had to pick my driver and port again, it actually happened twice were my sound went off and had to start over
 
Well, poopies, I keep finding issues with 24H2. This time it's networking, and my updated W11P deskside system not being able to see my W10P laptop sitting 3 feet away on the same wired LAN (laptop sees the deskside and can read or write files to it), nor the SMB-shared USB memory stick plugged into my 2nd level router (and that my laptop sees just fine). This one is aggravating as all of the pertinent settings are correct and restarting the NIC or even rebooting the system doesn't help. And just to add a thumb in the eye, sometimes Explorer on the deskside doesn't even see itself as a network member...
 
Well, poopies, I keep finding issues with 24H2. This time it's networking, and my updated W11P system not being able to see my W10P laptop sitting 3 feet away on the same wired LAN, nor the SMB-shared USB memory stick plugged into my 2nd level router (and that my laptop sees just fine). This one is aggravating as all of the pertinent settings are correct and restarting the NIC or even rebooting the system doesn't help...
Did you try enabling SMB1/CIFS File Sharing? It is disabled by default because it's not secure. It's in Control Panel->Programs->Turn Windows features on and off. I had to enable it to get a NAS drive working that's attached to the USB port on my router:

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Yup. And made sure the automatic removal (that showed up with some update or another at least a year or more ago) was still disabled as well...

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I've had SMB 1.0 enabled forever for the same reason as you: I have a storage device on the router - it's used by my fleet of RaspberryPi minions as a data backup device for critical files. They all write to it (never read it). It's worked for years...

Not seeing itself is a bs Microsoft bug that always pisses me off because it's always the result of some update. I typically have to go through the "create a network" crap to get things working again...

Cheers!

ps: you're either running a very old version of W11 or you're running W10 or earlier...
 
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Ok, fortunately this is an MS deal with changes they made in 24H2 with how they configure SMB 1.0 defaults: SMB signing is now required, and Guest fallback is now disabled. Here's how to get things back to how they worked prior to 24H2...

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com...-with-smb-in-windows-11-24h2-may-fail/4154300

Now I can at least see the SMB share ("readyshare") and my deskside ("TITAN") and my laptop ("MONOLYTH") in the left pane in Explorer - but they don't appear in the right pane. Classic Windows effed-up behavior, and has nothing to do with SMB changes...

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Maybe they'll eventually fix this but I can live with it...

Cheers!
 
I had an HP printer that was made circa 2006, and it finally stopped working a few weeks ago, of course it happened right when I need to be sending W-9s/1099s out. Anyway I got a new printer and spun up a new Windows 11 VM to install a print server on (Papercut).

I had a heck of a time getting the printer to share across the network (without a password) and I finally gave up and created a local account specifically for the purpose. I couldn't figure out how to create a local account in Windows 11, so I just used CMD to do it.

I went ahead and installed 24H2 as well, it took a long time for it to install.

If your wondering what version of Windows 11 you have, you can use CMD and type "winver" to find out by the way.
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Not sure I've mentioned it in this thread yet or not, but Proxmox is a much more friendly way to run Windows 11, you have virtual TPMs built it, and you can "hot pull" the NIC during the install, to bypass the online account thing.
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I had an HP printer that was made circa 2006, and it finally stopped working a few weeks ago, of course it happened right when I need to be sending W-9s/1099s out. Anyway I got a new printer and spun up a new Windows 11 VM to install a print server on (Papercut).

I had a heck of a time getting the printer to share across the network (without a password) and I finally gave up and created a local account specifically for the purpose. I couldn't figure out how to create a local account in Windows 11, so I just used CMD to do it.

I went ahead and installed 24H2 as well, it took a long time for it to install.

If your wondering what version of Windows 11 you have, you can use CMD and type "winver" to find out by the way.
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Not sure I've mentioned it in this thread yet or not, but Proxmox is a much more friendly way to run Windows 11, you have virtual TPMs built it, and you can "hot pull" the NIC during the install, to bypass the online account thing.
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Lusrmgr.msc is probably the easiest console to use if you want a GUI tool to manage user accounts.
 
Ok, fortunately this is an MS deal with changes they made in 24H2 with how they configure SMB 1.0 defaults: SMB signing is now required, and Guest fallback is now disabled. Here's how to get things back to how they worked prior to 24H2...

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com...-with-smb-in-windows-11-24h2-may-fail/4154300

Now I can at least see the SMB share ("readyshare") and my deskside ("TITAN") and my laptop ("MONOLYTH") in the left pane in Explorer - but they don't appear in the right pane. Classic Windows effed-up behavior, and has nothing to do with SMB changes...

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Maybe they'll eventually fix this but I can live with it...

Cheers!
This bothered me forever. Can't wait to try it.
 
If my two level NAT configuration allowed SMB service to transit from WAN into my primary LAN segment, I might give more consideration about allowing bare-butt SMB 1.0 protocol to exist on my LAN.

Aanyway...came across yet another post-24H2 update: Facebook page loads range from slow to stalled with blinking images. Affects anything Chromium-based, so Google Chrome and MS Edge, at least, while Firefox (bless their hearts!) are not affected afaict...

Cheers!
 
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It's more about legacy hardware.
And if one understands how networking elements actually can work, security can be rationally managed instead of blindly applied...

Cheers!
 
This update ("2025-01 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 24H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5050094)") was installed on my workstation in the wee hours of this morning. Seems benign so far, haven't overtly tested what they say they fixed with it, still have Auto HDR disabled, but I'll get 'round to it. I'm in the middle of building a new system for my Spousal Unit as her Win10P machine is hopelessly out of spec for Windows 11...

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/microsoft-releases-windows-11-kb5050094-162000991.html

Semi-related, I was at Microcenter Cambridge yesterday afternoon and they had around 50 people lined up around the building waiting for the first NVIDIA 5090 and 5080 sales that were going to happen this morning. Talked to a few at the head of the line and they had been there since Monday (!)

I had to go back this morning, arrived after the fray, learned there had been over 200 people in line when Microcenter opened, and they only had ~80 boards to sell. And the person who was #1 in line sold his spot for a cool $1000(!) I think he screwed up because there are now listings for the 5090 at double MSRP - he could have sold his card and made $2000...

Cheers!
 
This update ("2025-01 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 24H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5050094)") was installed on my workstation in the wee hours of this morning. Seems benign so far, haven't overtly tested what they say they fixed with it, still have Auto HDR disabled, but I'll get 'round to it. I'm in the middle of building a new system for my Spousal Unit as her Win10P machine is hopelessly out of spec for Windows 11...

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/microsoft-releases-windows-11-kb5050094-162000991.html

Semi-related, I was at Microcenter Cambridge yesterday afternoon and they had around 50 people lined up around the building waiting for the first NVIDIA 5090 and 5080 sales that were going to happen this morning. Talked to a few at the head of the line and they had been there since Monday (!)

I had to go back this morning, arrived after the fray, learned there had been over 200 people in line when Microcenter opened, and they only had ~80 boards to sell. And the person who was #1 in line sold his spot for a cool $1000(!) I think he screwed up because there are now listings for the 5090 at double MSRP - he could have sold his card and made $2000...

Cheers!

What a bunch of idiots. These people swiping credit cards so they can stand around on the street corner and brag about fps; those cards will be outdated in short order. GPU growth isn't tracking Moore's law but instead outpacing it.
 
What a bunch of idiots. These people swiping credit cards so they can stand around on the street corner and brag about fps; those cards will be outdated in short order. GPU growth isn't tracking Moore's law but instead outpacing it.
Heck, I'd be more than happy for some previous gen leftovers! I love early adopters.
 
I already have a factory-overclocked 24GB 4090 so I'm set for awhile - and looking forward to the performance enhancements that trickle down from the 5090 driver and application developments. Reportedly the 4000s will get most everything save for the multiple frame gen stuff...

Cheers!
 
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