[will it work?] honey oat beer.

[goonmaster]

Im not very experienced at brewing.
Would it work say if

• boiled 500g of rolled oats
• mixed in a smallish jar of honey
• put it in a 1gal demiJ
• filled rest with water
• added yeast.

Was going to use sake brewing yeast for breaking down the starch but read that if you boil the oats the sugars are already broken down.

Also heard that fermented oats have a very sour flavour.

anyone have any experience doing something similar?

 

[McKBrew]

Probably not with much success. It'd be nasty at best.

If you are interested in brewing with honey, do some reading on Mead. If you are interested in general brewing techniques for beer. How to Brew - By John Palmer

 

[Shawn Hargreaves]

I don't think that would work too well. The problem is that oats don't contain any sugar, just starch. You'd get a really cloudy beer, and the starch won't ferment because yeast don't know how to eat it.

To make raw grains fermentable, you first need to convert the starches into sugars which the yeasties will be able to eat. This is done by "mashing" them, which basically means mixing them with warm water and holding them at a carefully controlled temperature (150 degrees) for an hour or so, along with some enzymes that will convert the starches into sugars.

So, to get anything good out of your oats you will need to mash them.

The second problem you will have here is that rolled oats don't contain any enzymes, so just oats alone will not work in a mash. You will need to mix them with some other grain that has a lot of enzymes, so that other grain will have enough both to convert itself and also enough left over for your oats. Something like a 50/50 mix of rolled oats with 6 row barley would probably work ok.

As to how this would turn out, I have no idea

 

[McKBrew]

Not to sound like an a$$, but you joined this forum back in February and posted a poor recipe then. You just came back almost a year later and it's obvious you haven't done any research on recipe formulation, wine, brewing or anything else.

We like to help all aspiring new brewers, seriously, but you have to help yourself as well and the best way to do that is to get into the books and also do some reading here at Hombrewtalk as well.

 

[goonmaster]

Not to sound like an a$$, but you joined this forum back in February and posted a poor recipe then. You just came back almost a year later and it's obvious you haven't done any research on recipe formulation, wine, brewing or anything else.

We like to help all aspiring new brewers, seriously, but you have to help yourself as well and the best way to do that is to get into the books and also do some reading here at Hombrewtalk as well.

Paper never refuses ink. Was it really necessary to post twice mcbrew?

Shawn Hargreaves - Would koji work on starch in oats as well as rice?
There are no places for homebrew supplies around here so I have to make do with what there is. No local shops sell malt, need to go online shopping. Any other ideas for supermarket brewing?

 

[Shawn Hargreaves]

If this was me, I'd try a more conventional beer (or sake, if that's what you want to make) recipe before I attempted anything this unusual. There are many things that go into making good beer: the recipe is one of them, but so are your technique, sanitation, etc. If you're new to brewing, I would recommend starting with an existing recipe that you know to be good, so you can concentrate on getting your technique down. Once you've done a couple of good brews in a row, then it's time to start tweaking the recipe or coming up with something new of your own. You have a much greater chance of being successful with this kind of crazy original experimentation if you get the fundamentals of brewing solid first.

There are some great online stores that will ship you everything you need to brew, if you don't have a local supplier. Northern Brewer or Austin Homebrew will sell you malt, hops, yeast, and whatever else you need, and also books full of good advice on the brewing process, recipes, etc.

 

[goonmaster]

yeh theres some sake here but its got some darkish mold on the sides. not sure if its the koji(Aspergillus oryzae) or just bad mold.

am working on getting that chinese thing translated

 

[farmbrewernw]

What about making something like hard cider? If the availability of brewing ingredients is scarce in your area you can always make wine or cider with juice you buy from the store. Also if there is a brewery near you you could always ask them if you can buy grain, hops, and yeast from them.

 

[Loweface]

Just spotted the location...

There are two good online homebrew shops that will suit...

The Homebrew Company near Portlaoise...

and...

The Homebrew Centre near Killaloe in Clare...

Both are good... Where are you?

 

[EdWort]

Why don't you skip the oats, add more honey and some fruit and make some mead.

From the looks of that recipe, whatever you end up with after the honey ferments out completely will be bitter and astringent from the oats.

 

[chase]

McKBrew, for trying not to sound like and a$$... you sound like an a$$.

I second Edwort on making mead. I would also recommend making Edwort's Practically World-Famous Apfelwein. If you have a grocery store in your area, you can make apfelwein. You won't regret it.

 

[goonmaster]

cheers guys!
Yeh was thinking of doing fermented apple juice from the stuff you get in Lidl supermarket. Will post some pics of the Sake over the next few days (its got this mold - not sure if its good or bad). In the meanwhile u can take a peek at the tutorial ive tried to make using the stuff u buy in the asian supermarket.
http://tinyurl.com/rice-wine

Living in Dublin at the moment near DunL. Transport is a bit of an Issue, do ye think James's Gate in town would be willing to sell ingredients?(emailed them there, hopefully them might like to)

thanks to everyone for being so helpfull.

 

[Loweface]

I don't know about the lidl being preservative free (it may be)

I've had great results with Dunnes Stores Apple Juice (Half price at the moment) and the cider yeast from thehomebrewcompany.ie...

 

[goonmaster]

hehe, feck should have gone the extra mile for the dunnes stuff. After buying a few lidl ones now newho. Will update on progress. Sake is doing o.k. at the moment apart from the small amounts of mold on the rice

Reply from James's Gate:

Dear Hugh,

Thank you for your recent email in regards to your home brewing.

I am sorry to report that we would not be able to supply you with any of the ingredients for your home brewing. I do apologise for this and wish you the best of luck with your brew.

Kind regards,

Gráinne
DIAGEO Consumer Careline

 

[goonmaster]

god, was storing the sake in one of these bad boys

opened it for a test drive to see what it was like and the thing shot open like champagne
must have started fermenting last night XD

 

[GloHoppa]

Cant you buy ingredients or kits to get you started online if youre having trouble finding the things you need? It really sounds like you're trying to go at a recipe with whatever you can find rather than with a solid foundation of a recipe. Most experienced brewers couldnt come up with a good beer/mead/sake from the stuff you listed.

Just my .02 and I dont mean to come off as a jerk and my apologies if i do, but making a great beer is one of the most rewarding things I think I have done...and I would personally be so bummed if I worked so hard to come up with something that was only sub-par...

No matter what you decide to do I wish you and your beer the best of luck!

 

[Cascadegan]

not to sound like a nice guy, but i think this is a good idea
will it taste good? probably not
but who cares, experimentation is fun

 

[sweetpoetatoe]

or if just going for sort of a honey bunches of oats taste, and to be completely crazy, throw some of a cereal of the sort into the mash? im not sure if jsut by the cooking methods used in making cereals, all enzymes would be dead. but iv heard of people throwin in gingersnap cookies an whatnot with good results, you never know completely