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Lack of information is no longer the problem. In 2020/2021, occasionally, the problem is too much information.Today with all the resources out there IMO there's no reason to not jump right into all grain.
Yup, but it may take a while for "forum consensus" to catch up with the idea.Some of us still like a quick, no fuss brew day and end up with drinkable beer.
cost. i spent 230$ on a starting kit kettle and wort chiller and i had no idea if i would like it.I have noticed that a common thought within the brewing community is that we should/just do start with extracts.. I'm just curious of why? Why did you, or why do we have that thought?
Personally, I started with all grain in a 5 gallon kettle (like what you need for extracts). It's just how I learned/who taught me.. lol Curious to know what you guys know!
BIAB is all grain, as is 3 vessel. Both are just different methods of separating the grains from the wort.cost. i spent 230$ on a starting kit kettle and wort chiller and i had no idea if i would like it.
took me 3 batches to move to BIAB then BIAB to all grain. i will never go to BIAB just not my style of brewing i enjoy the process.
Ha @pc_trott you are not foolish. It's a (stupid?) acronym I came up with.At the risk of looking more foolish than I already do, if possible, what does PLETO stand for?
BIAB is all all grain. It's just skipping the sparge step and related equipment.cost. i spent 230$ on a starting kit kettle and wort chiller and i had no idea if i would like it.
took me 3 batches to move to BIAB then BIAB to all grain. i will never go to BIAB just not my style of brewing i enjoy the process.
i meant to type BIAB to 3V. sorry about that.BIAB is all all grain. It's just skipping the sparge step and related equipment.
I started 3V and eventually realized that eBIAB was the final upgrade over 3V.
3V is just a dinosaur
Do away with the hoist and use two or three smaller bags. Works brilliantly!If you include time as a cost, then I think you've hit the nail on the head. In the beginning, it's good to make the process as simple and speedy as possible.
As for me, I got a Mr Beer for Christmas one year, and it worked so well for me, I've never looked much past it other than adding steeping grains to influence the beer's characteristics.
But now that I've tried it so many times, and I'm more willing and "adventurous" in experimenting with steeping grains, all-grain all of a sudden doesn't seem as intimidating/mysterious as it used to. And with the advent of BIAB, I'm seriously considering a batch of all-grain APA as a test. The bag isn't all that expensive for a try-out, and if I like the results... who knows? I might just stick with the AG BIAB. All I need to try it is the bag and an overhead hoist to get it out of the kettle.
Thanks to extract brewing, I already have everything else I need.
Not bad, when I started out it didn't exist, so I had "fun" with a plastic bucket and an electric drill for about an hour..$25 for a 10 gallon tamale pot and $37 for a Wilser Bag.
Edit: The hop boil bag included in that set gets a lot more use at my house as a cold brew coffee filter.
Depends on what you mean by "long run". I just did my...50-something-th?...brew with the same bag.Not bad, when I started out it didn't exist, so I had "fun" with a plastic bucket and an electric drill for about an hour..
I still have the plastic bucket setup somewhere. I imagine the bags do have to be replaced after a certain number of brews? So for economy, I would think the plastic buckets wins in the long run (I've done hundreds of brews with the bucket before switching to all stainless). But then it seems the bucket requires more process steps compared to the bag.
Long run, ie over the life of the vessel or bag.Depends on what you mean by "long run". I just did my...50-something-th?...brew with the same bag.
This.I look a brewing as 5 basic steps.
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4. Fermentation
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# 4 to me is the most important in making good tasting beer. Getting this part right makes or breaks a lot of beers no matter how you get to this step.
Without a doubt, this is true. If a complete newb were to read through the forum discussions here for a few hours, they'd leave with the impression that a few degrees variation in mash temperature will make the difference between thin, watery beer and undrinkable syrup.Lack of information is no longer the problem. In 2020/2021, occasionally, the problem is too much information.
And you don't have to progress to AG. Think of the extra space involved. (The same goes for kegging. Or producing good, real lagers.) And actually a couple of my favorite extract recipes don't even involve steeping any grains. And I've never used (or needed) a blow off tube. Only one of my 273 brews over 25+ years was from a kit. I suggest starting simple and seeing if you want to take it further.you can do an extract kit on the stovetop with a sub-5gal pot, spoon, steeping grains bag, bucket+lid and a blow off tube.
Business opportunity?but I live in Munich Germany, there's not one home brew store.
At the risk of looking more foolish than I already do, if possible, what does PLETO stand for?
Ha @pc_trott you are not foolish. It's a (stupid?) acronym I came up with.
Partial boil, Late Extract addition, Top Off.
We all need more an acronyms right?
Cheers,
Joel B.
Edit, I tried to get steeping grains in there too some how but I couldn't make work.![]()
If I lived in Munich, I have no doubt I wouldn't bother to homebrew.You wouldn't believe it, but I live in Munich Germany, there's not one home brew store.
SteGPLETOHa @pc_trott you are not foolish. It's a (stupid?) acronym I came up with.
Partial boil, Late Extract addition, Top Off.
We all need more an acronyms right?
Cheers,
Joel B.
Edit, I tried to get steeping grains in there too some how but I couldn't make work.![]()
Sure, if you're hankering for a delicious golden lager. But I'm sure a proper cask bitter, oatmeal stout, or NEIPA is not as forthcoming. There's always a reason to make your own!If I lived in Munich...
But when would I have time to try those other styles?Sure, if you're hankering for a delicious golden lager. But I'm sure a proper cask bitter, oatmeal stout, or NEIPA is not as forthcoming. There's always a reason to make your own!