I started all grain. Read a lot on here and tried to learn as much as I could before diving in. First batch was a ESB. Came out drinkable, But not really good. Didnt have fermentation control. Built a mini fridge ferm control with a stc-1000 and the beers started getting beter. Now 6 years later I feel pretty confident in my brewing abilitys. Brew only ales though. 10 gallon system with cfc and a bigger ferm fridge. My beers are as good or beter than any of the local breweries.