Which BYO Fat Tire Clone is more accurate?

[Ace_Club]

BYO published two Fat Tire clone recipes this year. One in the March/April issue and one in the December issue. Has anyone made either of these? If so, what did you think of them? If not, which do you think looks more accurate? Or, provide your own clone if you think it's that good.

Fat Tire Clone (March/April):
5 gal, OG = 1.050, FG = 1.013
IBU = 20, SRM = 14, ABV = 4.8%

8# 10 oz. 2-row Pale Malt
8 oz. Munich Malt
8 oz. Carapils Malt
8 oz. Crystal Malt (20L)
6 oz. Biscuit Malt
1 oz. Chocolate Malt
0.8 oz. Willamette (90 min.)
0.4 oz. Fuggle (20 min.)
0.4 oz. Fuggle (0 min.)
Wyeast 1272 or WLP051 Yeast

Mash at 154F for 45 minutes. Ferment at 68F.

Fat Tire Clone (December):
5 gal, OG = 1.050, FG = 1.013
IBU = 19, SRM = 14, ABV = 4.7%

8# 10 oz. 2-row Pale Malt
1# Munich Malt
8 oz. Crystal Malt (80L)
6 oz. Victory Malt
0.4 oz. Target (60 min.)
0.5 oz. Willamette (10 min.)
0.5 oz. Goldings (0 min.)
Wyeast 1272 or Wyeast 1792 or WLP051 Yeast

Mash at 154F for 45 minutes. Ferment at 68F.

 

[Suthrncomfrt1884]

I'm assuming that since the second recipe came from New Belgium themselves, it's probably more accurate.

 

[Ace_Club]

I was thinking the same thing, but wanted to check to see if anybody had brewed either of these before. I'm wanting to make a 10-gallon batch of Fat Tire clone as my first All-Grain endeavor come spring and was looking for a little input.

 

[knuckledragger]

I just brewed the December recipe tonight. Overshot the OG by almost 10 points doing a partial mash! The color is quite brown, however, I imagine it will clear up and (hopefully) get some caramel/amber color. I'll report back in a few weeks to let you know how it went.

 

[brewingkitty]

the byo clone's edition has one as well.. ill find it to compare.

 

[Ace_Club]

I just brewed the December recipe tonight. Overshot the OG by almost 10 points doing a partial mash! The color is quite brown, however, I imagine it will clear up and (hopefully) get some caramel/amber color. I'll report back in a few weeks to let you know how it went.

Good to hear! Definitely post your end results as I'm looking to brew the December version this Spring.

the byo clone's edition has one as well.. ill find it to compare.

It will be interesting to compare, thanks for the input!

 

[Ender]

I'd also second the one from the brewery in the Dec issue. Anyone know of a place to get their yeast? Anyone have a slant perhaps?

 

[brewingkitty]

the Mar/Apr recipe is the same as in the 150 clones edition.

 

[knuckledragger]

Took a gravity reading today. Down to 1016. Sample tasted a tad fruity, I fermented at 69-70 so that's probably why....

 

[Suthrncomfrt1884]

I've brewed the BYO clone and it wasn't very close in my opinion. I'll have to check my notes when I'm back at home, but I think I overshot the gravity by 5 or 6 points. That probably had an effect. I remember thinking the hops weren't quite right.

 

[Ace_Club]

I've brewed the BYO clone and it wasn't very close in my opinion. I'll have to check my notes when I'm back at home, but I think I overshot the gravity by 5 or 6 points. That probably had an effect. I remember thinking the hops weren't quite right.

Which one? The one created by BYO or the one from NB published in BYO?

 

[knuckledragger]

So I bottled the december recipe 10 minutes ago. Color seemed a tad light and the sample was watery and green. The aftertaste of the sample definitely has a fat tire resemblance but up front, it seems off. I'll report back in 3 more weeks after bottle conditioning!

 

[Suthrncomfrt1884]

Which one? The one created by BYO or the one from NB published in BYO?

The original BYO clone in their clone book. I haven't tried the New Belgium suggested clone yet.

 

[Ace_Club]

So I bottled the december recipe 10 minutes ago. Color seemed a tad light and the sample was watery and green. The aftertaste of the sample definitely has a fat tire resemblance but up front, it seems off. I'll report back in 3 more weeks after bottle conditioning!

Excellent, I look forward to hearing the results.

 

[VegasBrew]

I brewed the December recipe with a couple changes, went with 10 lb 2 row and forgot the .5 oz Goldings at 0 min. LHBS didn`t have the yeast so I used WLP 001. Turned out GREAT!!! 2 weeks in fermenter and 3 in bottle did the trick. Wasn`t as hoppy as the origional when I did side by side taste test, not to be arrogant but I liked mine better. HAHA!!

Fat Tire Clone (December):
5 gal, OG = 1.050, FG = 1.013
IBU = 19, SRM = 14, ABV = 4.7%

8# 10 oz. 2-row Pale Malt <---- 10 lbs
1# Munich Malt
8 oz. Crystal Malt (80L)
6 oz. Victory Malt
0.4 oz. Target (60 min.)
0.5 oz. Willamette (10 min.)
0.5 oz. Goldings (0 min.) <---- Omit
Wyeast 1272 or Wyeast 1792 or WLP051 Yeast <---- WLP 001

Mash at 154F for 45 minutes. Ferment at 68F.[/QUOTE]

VB

 

[knuckledragger]

So december recipie has been in the bottle for a month now. Tasts pretty good. For some reason I feel like its a tad on the sweet side. My hops additions might have been too weak. Anyway brew it up!

 

[Ace_Club]

I brewed the second recipe (December) and just kegged it last night. I'll let you all know how it turns out.

 

[Airborneguy]

Cool, because I'm doing this soon also. I'm making a run to NC for an event and plan on stocking up on Fat Tire while I'm there so I can compare it when I'm done (no New Belgium in NY).

 

[mtngoat]

I brewed the second recipe (December) and just kegged it last night. I'll let you all know how it turns out.

So how did yours turn out? Which yeast did you use?

 

[permo]

This recipe has been brewed by me multiple times and also other members on HBT. Its a winner and also a Permo orignal.


10.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row)
0.50 lb Munich Malt
0.25 lb Pale Chocolate Malt
0.25 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine
0.25 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt 40
0.25 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt 20
0.25 lb Biscuit Malt
0.25 lb Aromatic

1.00 oz Williamette [5.50 %] (60 min) Hops 16.0 IBU
0.50 oz Williamette [5.50 %] (1 min) Hops 0.3 IBU
Mash at 154 for 60
WLP001, PACMAN...etc..etc.. Ferment cool




Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.053 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.015 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.42 %
Bitterness: 16.4 IBU Calories: 235 cal/pint

 

[BeerCutter]

I brewed the Dec. recipe in July. All grains the same. I used .50 oz. Centennial at 60 min. .75 oz. Willamette at 10 min. and 1.00 oz. of Fuggles at 0 min. With Wyeast 1272 with starter. Tasted great although maybe not as biscuity as I remember the real Tire. Keg is empty now, so will be brewing this again tomorrow, I think I'm going to bump the Victory up to .50 lb. for a little more biscuit flavor. Oh, and I used 9 lb. of two-row because I did this BIAB with the total water amount and my efficiency is only around 71%

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

Surprised they call for only 6 oz of Biscuit/Victory... Based on the flavor profile, I would have thought it's more than that.

I've made this: http://*****************.com/fat-tire-clone-recipe-all-grain-t259.html

Not good, and not like Fat Tire at all...

Edit: Hmm... Never realized HBT edits out the names of other homebrewing forums! The original recipe called for 8 oz Chocolate malt, which is *obviously* way out of place in a Fat Tire clone...

 

[NeeDlzdos]

When I put the december recipe into Beersmith 2.0 I get the SRM to be 8.6. What are you guys doing to up it to 14ish?

 

[BeerCutter]

When I put the december recipe into Beersmith 2.0 I get the SRM to be 8.6. What are you guys doing to up it to 14ish?

The software I used put the color estimate at 11 srm. I didn't put it side by side, but from memory it looked pretty close to the real tire.

 

[Sheldon]

kicking a tired old horse here. What if I used 3 lbs of Marris Otter as a sub for 3 lbs of 2 row, need to use up the MO, but don't want to ruin a good recipe

 

[Airborneguy]

I used MO as the base grain entirely a few weeks ago using the Dec '10 recipe. I'm going to post the recipe with tasting notes as soon as the beer is tapped, hopefully in another two weeks.

 

[maffewl]

I brewed the one from the BYO 250 Clone mag (March/April). Hit all the numbers and fermented at the right temp. It definitely was not a clone. It had more of a nutty roasty flavor and was several shades darker. I currently have a recipe that I used New Belgium's website to formulate something close that I brewed this past Sunday... I'll post how it turns out here in several weeks.

 

[Sheldon]

thanks Airborneguy, i think I am going to brew this weekend, yea, I do Chanukah. Anyway, I have some S-04 dry yeast on hand so I may try it in the recipe. We should compare notes when we start to sample. I think this should come in about the time I have an open keg.

Happy holiday fellow HB'er

Sheldon

 

[Airborneguy]

Sounds good! Good luck and Happy Chanukah!

 

[psusoccer21]

Anyone have additional feedback on the December recipe? I am looking to brew it soon.

Thanks