New England IPA Yellow Dog High 5 Hazy IPA clone

[mtbmatt]

Recipe Type

All Grain

Yeast

Safale S-04

Yeast Starter

no

Additional Yeast or Yeast Starter

no

Batch Size (Gallons)

5.4 Gallons

Original Gravity

1.067

Final Gravity

1.017

Boiling Time (Minutes)

30 minutes

IBU

34.7

Color

5.4 SRM

Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp)

14 days @ 68°F

Secondary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp)

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Additional Fermentation

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Tasting Notes

Tastes very close to Yellow Dog Brewing's High 5 Hazy IPA, a big burst of orange juice flavor with balanced bitterness.

This is my clone of one of my favorite beers - Yellow Dog's High 5 Hazy IPA from Port Moody, Vancouver, BC. I think that this is about 90 - 95% accurate. It doesn't come out quite as hazy as the Yellow Dog and it doesn't have that same bright orange colour, but the flavour and aroma are pretty damn close and that is what is important to me.

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 5.10 gal
Boil Size: 6.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.067 SG
Estimated FG: 1.017 SG
Estimated Color: 5.4 SRM
Estimated IBU: 35 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 30 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item
2.00 lb Canadian 2-row
4.00 lb Golden Promise
1.50 lb Carapils
0.40 lb Munich Malt
0.4 lb Honey Malt

1 x packet Safale S-04 yeast

1.00 oz Columbus [15.00 %] (30 min)
2.00 oz Citra [12.000 %] (160F Whirlpool, see notes)
1.00 oz Apollo [20.50 %] (160F Whirlpool, see notes)
2.00 oz Citra [12.000 %] (110F Whirlpool, see notes)
1.00 oz Apollo [20.50 %] (110F Whirlpool, see notes)
2.00 oz Citra [12.000 %] (Dry hop, see notes)
1.00 oz Apollo [20.50 %] (Dry hop, see notes)

Notes:
1. Mash at 154F.
2. Boil for 30 minutes.
3. Cool to 160F, add 160F whirlpool hops, whirlpool 20 minutes. Cool to 110F, add 110F whirlpool hops, whirlpool 20 minutes.
4. Add dry hops 3 days after active fermentation starts. Remove after 4 days.

 

[CaveHomeBrewing]

A go to Hazy IPA of mine, excited to try brewing this one! Thanks for sharing.

 

[mtbmatt]

A go to Hazy IPA of mine, excited to try brewing this one! Thanks for sharing.

Excellent, let me know how it turns out.

 

[IslandLizard]

Looks yummy!
Apollo is a strange, underappreciated hop. Not many brewers use it, and only very few outside of bittering. A few years ago, at a beer tasting event, I had an Apollo SMASH IPA that was truly awesome.
Does the real High 5 Hazy IPA use Apollo/Citra, or is it your hunch?

Did the haziness persist?
Do you know what yeast they use at the brewery?

 

[mtbmatt]

Unfortunately, I have no idea what they use Yellow Dog to make this beer....... I could be a long way off.

I would say this version is mildly hazy, definitely nowhere near what the real thing has. But like I said in the description, I wasn't really chasing that aspect of the beer, I am more interested in the flavour. To me haziness is more of a bi-product of this style rather than a necessity. I really wanted to avoid adding things like flaked oats just to make it more hazy, but if you like the haze then this would be a pretty easy addition.

I formulated this recipe after looking at a number of different recipes for Tree House Brewing's Orange Julius recipe. I tried making a couple of "juicy" hazy IPAs before but have never really been happy with the results. This is the first one I've made that I feel has the flavour profile that I've been chasing.

 

[mtbmatt]

So after drinking 20L or so of this and interspersing some High 5's in between, I've decided this needs some improvement. The bittering is pretty spot on I think but the malt flavour isn't quite there. It is also definitely darker than the High 5. I also noticed a typo in the original recipe (it says 2lb of 2-row, it should be 7lb).

So sometime over Xmas I am going to try brewing up another batch with the same yeast and hops, but modifying the grain bill to:

7.00 lb Canadian 2-row
4.00 lb Golden Promise
1.50 lb Carapils
0.50 lb Munich Malt
0.50 lb Flaked Oats
0.50 lb Flaked Wheat

I know I said in the original post that I didn't want to use oats to chase haze. That is still the case but I have used oats in a previous IPA I did and I feel it will add some mouthfeel that my othis recipe was missing. I'm dropping the Honey Malt because I think it adds too much colour and the flavour doesn't go with this beer either.

 

[Beeru]

I feel like theirs has some wheat in it. Maybe a pound or two. I would try it with about 7 lbs 2-row and 2lbs wheat, and then 1lb munich and maybe a little but of Cara/crystal 10, just half or a third of a pound.
I'm not sure if they use Apollo, but playing around with Citra and a mix of other fruit-forward hops would probably all create some pretty tasty brews.

 

[madscientist451]

So sometime over Xmas I am going to try brewing up another batch

Thanks for posting your recipe and results. Did you do a re-brew?
This is from the Yellow Dog website:

Slightly cloudy in look with a super soft mouthfeel, this beer is then loaded with a plethora of hops to give it strong flavours of grapefruit and stone fruit.

The "super soft mouthfeel" could be from using some oat malt? Also stone fruit flavors from the hops could be Eldorado, Mosaic, Rakau, Wai-iti?
There are a dozen or more hops with the grapefruit flavor in the description, perhaps they're using Chinook or Apollo for the 30 minute addition?

 

[CaveHomeBrewing]

Finally sourced some Apollo hops and got around to brewing this last night. Will report back to give you my thoughts on how this compares to the real deal.

 

[mtbmatt]

I feel like theirs has some wheat in it. Maybe a pound or two. I would try it with about 7 lbs 2-row and 2lbs wheat, and then 1lb munich and maybe a little but of Cara/crystal 10, just half or a third of a pound.
I'm not sure if they use Apollo, but playing around with Citra and a mix of other fruit-forward hops would probably all create some pretty tasty brews.

Probably a good call on adding some wheat malt, I might try that next time. I'm really not sure what hops they use but was pretty happy with the results I got with the Apollo/Citra combo.

 

[mtbmatt]

Thanks for posting your recipe and results. Did you do a re-brew?

I ended up getting distracted working on a couple of other beers..... I'll have to get back to this one soon!

 

[mtbmatt]

Finally sourced some Apollo hops and got around to brewing this last night. Will report back to give you my thoughts on how this compares to the real deal.

Awesome, I can't wait to hear what you think and what improvements you would suggest.

 

[CaveHomeBrewing]

Yellow Dog High 5 on the left, "Unpaid Intern" (clone) on the right.

 

[CaveHomeBrewing]

I would have to say this is a pretty close clone recipe! Very pleased with the result. Awesome job dialling this in Matt.

Full disclosure I chose to use Laerdal Kveik yeast as I was wanting to try a Kveik brew but otherwise followed your modified recipe. Colour wise the Yellow Dog is a bit more golden in colour. My "Unpaid Intern" came out with slightly more hop aroma leans towards 'orange juice' taste than the High 5 than I get more notes of peach from.

I'd be curious to try this using a bit more Munich malt in place of Carapils. Or possibly El Dorado or Mosiac hops. Ultimately to refine this exactly the yeast that Yellow Dog uses is going to be a factor but in the meantime I'm happy drinking my 'Unpaid Interns'. Thanks for sharing your recipe Matt!

 

[mtbmatt]

Great to hear that you liked it. In hindsight calling it a clone was maybe a bit bold - it's more of an "inspired by" for now but with some work it could become a really close clone.

I'll be interested to hear how your future batches go. I'll have to loop back around to this recipe and try it again soon. I totally agree that the yeast needs to be dialled in - I use US-05 quite a bit because it's cheap and I don't have great fermentation temperature control but I'm sure Yellow Dog use something different and a more specialised yeast would produce more accurate results.

Enjoy the beer!

 

[ribeiro08]

Hi everyone,

mtbmatt
Thank you very much for sharing this recipe. I'm Brazilian and I loved Yellow Dog's beer, (especially High five) when I tried it. But unfortunately we don't have any Yellow Dog beer here in Brazil, so now I'm trying to reproduce or get as close as possible to the original recipe. So please, if you have any updates, share them here. hahahaha