what's the deal with church folks???

[Homercidal]

Now that's just wrong, which is why it's also damn funny.

Jesus Saves!




Gretzky rebounds and scores!

 

[Yooper]

Ok I cant resest
Do you know why Jesus Christ quit playing Hocky.........He kept getting nailed to the boards........

Jesus Saves!

Gretzky rebounds and scores!

You know, our hockey team has a saying. "I'm so going to hell" is what we say at each and every practice because we think stuff like this is uproariously funny. Good thing God has a sense of humor. (I hope!)

 

[Homercidal]

A long time ago I heard a song on the radio about a hockey player named Sami Shutzi Skorz. Not sure on the spelling. Wish I could find that. It was about an asian hockey player. Little Sami Shutzi Skorz when he gets the puck.

Yeah, nothing to do with the topic, but this just reminded me of that.


EDIT: Was about 1988-1990. Still can't find any reference. Heard it once or twice on either 98.5 WJGS (back then) Houghton Lake, or 93.3 WKQZ Bay City/Saginaw/Midland/Flint, on the morning show. Ok, it's driving me NUTZ now!

 

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

Well laid out mysigp226!!! The point the Bible is making is that being an alcoholic is not a good thing... as in, when you start selling your house and your kids toys so you can go the bar and drown your sorrows, then you are not being "Godly".

When the bible was written, the didn't have a term for alcoholism because they didn't diagnose every man woman and child with some sort of syndrome, disorder, tendancy, or problem. If you were a drunkard, you were a drinker. It was assumed that everyone was drinking alcohol everyday at all hours of the day. Equating everyone who imbibed alcohol in Biblical times with the word drinker is like saying we are all eaters, then saying that means we were all obese closet eaters... just not true. Twisting the words of religious texts is the reason religion is on a down swing.. why don't theologians and preachers of all faiths understand that? If they taught the good books as they were written religion would be much more popular.

 

[GroovePuppy]

Well laid out mysigp226!!!

+1

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[MVKTR2]

This is a thread with a life of it's own, and again I'm continually impressed with the overwhelming majority of well thought out responses on HBT. Forgive my tardyness to this party as I've been way too busy the past few weeks to browse the DRMM threads.

I'm very happy to see a couple ministers on the board. I already knew Revvy was a minister. Come June I'll take my first full connection appointment in the United Methodist Church (that's Methodist speak for I sho nuff gonna be a minister in June). Living in MS the UMC's here run the gammut from all drinking is sinful to drink whatever ya want. My personal background is being raised Baptist in a dry county, having a Catholic grandfather, an Assembly of God (pentacostal light) grandfather, dated a Jewish girl, seen people speak in tounges at the AofG, my wife's family is all Mormon... how I wound up where I'm at, only God knows!

I'll save you the speach of what I believe which has already been covered by many others. What I do have to add to this discussion is a couple of facts about "wine" in the new testament.

The original Greek text used 3 words for "wine". One was absolutely a fresh pressed non fermented grape/fruit juice. One was absolutely a fermented beverage containing alcohol. The prohibitionist that actually have any knowledge of this will point out this is the word most often used when drunkeness is mentioned. But the rub is that the 3rd word had a universal use for any type of fruit wine fermented or not. This is the reason language study is so important to proper Biblical understanding and training for ministry. A great example of this is when Christ says to be "full" of the Spirit. The Greek word used literally means overflowing. In the Greek context a glass could be filled to the brim and actually be higher than the brim but not overflowing and would not be yet considered "full". Kind of puts into context a deeper truer understanding of that text versus simply reading a modern translation/transliteration.

Keep in mind folks that just because someone disagrees with you about alcohol or politics or whatever doesn't mean they're judging you, they've simply come to a different conclusion. Sure there are plenty of idiots in the world and they come in all races, relitions, sizes, etc, just don't become that which you dispise. Meet ignorance with love, think Ghandi/Martin Luther King. (and yes I know how cheezy that sounds and how hard it can be to do at times)

Schlante,
Phillip

 

[yeoldebrewer]

This is an interesting thread. Nothing raises people's hackles faster than religion and politics. Mixing the two is matches and gasoline.

I personally don't care how many Angelino Jolies can pole dance on the head of a pin as long as we are free to shake hands and disagree.

 

[JayC]

...Heck at ONE of the churches I interred at as a student, the minister and I would head out to the Ann Arbor Brewing Company, every Sunday after church to "decompress."

I know someone else has commented on this, but I still think it's hard core that they had you burying people as a student. Know wonder you had to 'decompress'.

I remember a girl from my class in high school was speechless when she found out that my church served beer at the Greek Festival we had every year. Hell, we used to serve Ouzo, until the permits became too expensive/stringent. That or maybe we had our own 'church folks' within the church that objected, I never did get a full answer on that one. Of course, I was twelve at the time, so who knows?

A book I recently read, 'Fermenting Revolution' I think, suggests that Jesus actually drank beer. It claims the original translation said that he drank 'strong drink' and that later translators made that wine, basically out of snobbery. The book raises the question of, would Jesus drink the same stuff the rich, snooty Romans were drinking, or the drink of the salt of the earth folks. The second seems more consistent with his M.O.

I wonder if I can make a 'What Would Jesus Drink' bumper sticker?