What hop combination will get me grapefruit and pine?

Jwin · Aug 10, 2017

robcj said:
Cool--I'll have to try Ahtanum and Eureka sometime soon.

Ahtanum, in my experience, is like a floral version of Cascade. I got no more grapefruit than Cascade, no pine, but lots of floral notes.
I did a 1# brew with it a while back. I used millennium for bitters, and lots of late additions and whirlpool.
Note, that was 2013 crop used in 2016, iirc. I'm sure there is some variation, but I don't see how the floral aspect could dissipate. Maybe if used early in the boil, it would impart more pine.

For pine, simcoe, boiled longer(20-30m), same with centennial. Ctz for bittering and flavor can do it.
Maybe something like
Ctz bitter
Ctz +simcoe at 25
Simcoe+citra+Mosaic at 15
Citra +mosaic at 5
Citra at 0/wp

Possibly sub nugget for simcoe

I've heard ultra late in the boil can be piney
It's cheap too

Queequeg · Aug 10, 2017

My experience of athtanum was grapefruit only. Lots of folks seem to recommend centennial for grapefruit, Ime I get mostly flowers and spice from it

Jwin · Aug 10, 2017

I've noticed huge flavor variance in centennial. Maybe the same for ahtanum.
My plan for it was a spruce IPA, but I ditched that idea once I tasted how floral it came out. There was no pine at all.
But, I did a 9 oz whitlpool.
Could be totally different with a big 15-20m addition

robcj · Aug 19, 2017

bloombrews said:
Mosaic is the new high demand hop for awesome tropical flavors.
The key to a good drinkable APA or IPA is back off on all the bitter hops and keep all your flavor/aroma AFTER flame-out when the wort gets down below 185-180 degrees. Whirlpool if you can with a pump, or stir-man-stir. Let these JUICY mosaic hops steep for a good half-hour to 45". I only add a big Alpha-Acid hop at 30" for all the bittering you want. Also, first wort hopping has some saying it helps keeping boil overs down. Just forget all the 20, 15, 10" additions and go all out after flame-out with the Juice hops!

I wanted to follow up on your comment because I think that it is terrific advice for brewers who are looking to craft a contemporary juicy APA or IPA. The technique you describe is great for drawing out hop flavour and aroma. And Mosaic is a fantastic hop if you're seeking a highly tropical flavour profile.

To clarify, that wasn't my intent here. My objective was to craft a traditional northwest APA. I was looking more for citrus and pine than citrus and pineapple. I'm happy to say that my recipe achieved that. The only caveat is that I didn't get any dankness at all. I'll be following up on my original post soon because this recipe turned out amazing.