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I'm hate-drinking my first batch with Diamond lager yeast. If you're thinking about giving Diamond a try because you've read that it's a more reasonably priced version of 34/70, it's not. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it isn't even a lager yeast.
 
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I'm hate-drinking my first batch with Diamond lager yeast. If you're thinking about giving Diamond a try because you've read that it's a more reasonably priced version of 34/70, it's not. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it isn't even a lager yeast.
What aren't you liking about it? I've used it as a replacement for 34/70 in my pilsners and can't tell a difference. I haven't done a side by side, but there was certainly nothing bad about it.
 
I know there is info here but I wanted to ask you. Have you brewed an Extra Stout or Foreign Extra? Is it just more of each ingredient or is there some Caramel malts, or something else? I like he extra stout over the foreign since can drink more of them at a time.
I haven’t, sorry. I’m sure there are lots of different recipes floating around. I’m still searching for a respectable version of the Draught recipe... nothing seems to be able to duplicate their unique flavor.
 
I'm hate-drinking my first batch with Diamond lager yeast. If you're thinking about giving Diamond a try because you've read that it's a more reasonably priced version of 34/70, it's not. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it isn't even a lager yeast.
I have a Dunkel lagering in the fridge and a Helles in primary. I used diamond. Hope your experience is a one off. these are my first lagers so I have nothing to compare too. When I bought he yeast More Beer didn’t have 34/70
 
I haven’t, sorry. I’m sure there are lots of different recipes floating around. I’m still searching for a respectable version of the Draught recipe... nothing seems to be able to duplicate their unique flavor.
The ones you post sure look good though! Im really enjoy my last attempt at the Draught. What I made is “nuttier” and a little “roastier” But I’m enjoying. Wonder if it’s the small amount of sour Guinness they add? I’m sure they have some sort of super ancient yeast that we don’t either.
 
Wonder if it’s the small amount of sour Guinness they add? I’m sure they have some sort of super ancient yeast that we don’t either.
I’m sure there is some perfect combination of ingredients that we either don’t know about or don’t have access to. I’ve tried every tip and hint I’ve read about plus some. I’ve done the sour beer addition, lactic acid addition, dry yeast, liquid yeast, mash roasted grain with everything, cold steep roasted grains and add late in boil, 3 different water profiles, etc, etc.... I have come close but never close enough to say “this is it!”
 
Makes for a cool journey!
I always have an Irish Stout on tap... some better than others. My most recent attempt used cold steeped roasted added late in the boil but it has a slight ashy/ charcoal flavor.
Coffee right now while I wait for a delivery to pump off.
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What aren't you liking about it? I've used it as a replacement for 34/70 in my pilsners and can't tell a difference. I haven't done a side by side, but there was certainly nothing bad about it.

It doesn't seem to perform like 34/70. I've used it in two recipes that I've developed over the years, both have established records for producing highly fermentable worts that ferment to dryness with 34/70. I've run Diamond through the same fermentation program that I use for 34/70 and Diamond really isn't happy about it.

First, Diamond is quite sluggish below 55F. My standard practice is to pitch at 50F, bump to 52 once the yeast go active, then bump to 54 at half gravity, 56 once it hits the final quarter of gravity points, then up to 60 once the yeast show signs of slowing. On the first pitch, Diamond established itself, but didn't accelerate into high krausen. I started bumping the temperature and nothing seemed to perk up Diamond until it got north of 55F. At that point, its fermentation plot started to converge with a normal 34/70 plot. Okay, the first generation of a yeast isn't always a good representation of its performance, the second pitch is sure to be better. This was harvested and pitched on the same day and, to make certain Diamond got off to the strongest start possible, I pitched really big, then waited for the fireworks to begin.....nothing. Again, Diamond was completely indifferent until it got above 55F. Under the same conditions, 34/70 would've staged a reenactment of the sack of Carthage.

Next, although Diamond is marketed as having high attenuation, I can't seem to get it to break 75% on two worts that have an established record of fermenting out to dryness with 34/70. Once it decides it's done, Diamond flocs hard. Which is great, it produces beautifully clear beer out of the fermentor. Unfortunately, it seems to like to leave several points behind that 34/70 will nibble at for a few days. There's no bumping Diamond up into the mid-60s to try to coax it to finish up a few more points, when it's done, it's done.

I'll readily admit that I'm making conclusions based upon a very small sample size. Nevertheless, I can't help but think about Diamond in the same way that I think about WY1968. I'm not saying that they're in anyway related. but they do have similar tendencies and while I was thinking about ways to coax some performance out of Diamond, I kept finding myself coming back to 1968 as a reference point. I write that as a big fan of 1968, but just as I wouldn't use '68 in dry stout or West Coast IPA, I'm thinking Diamond is the wrong tool for work I'm trying to do. I think I would like it a lot more if I had used it in a dunkel. For the time being, I'm done with Diamond. I don't see the point in learning a new yeast when 34/70 performs well and delivers an excellent result. This will also give me the opportunity to do some side-by-side comparisons between the two.

I hope this was in some way useful.
 
Anyone want to hit up the river next week to do some floating, cliff jumping, and drinking? Greenfield / King City area (Cali.)...going to be roasting, so thinking of burning up a sick day.
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This isn't that bad - a little malty, grainy flavor to it. It does the job on a day like today!! It is hot for the central coast; the beaches are going to be an absolute nightmare this weekend...will stay at home dying instead.
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Anyone want to hit up the river next week to do some floating, cliff jumping, and drinking? Greenfield / King City area (Cali.)...going to be roasting, so thinking of burning up a sick day.
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This isn't that bad - a little malty, grainy flavor to it. It does the job on a day like today!! It is hot for the central coast; the beaches are going to be an absolute nightmare this weekend...will stay at home dying instead.
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Sounds tempting. If it were any other time of year I would definitely consider it. With schools opening (remote anyway), we're super busy. I heard today King City may approach 110 degrees the next few days.
 
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