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On a school night....

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Wow, supplemental entry! I get home this evening, and what is here waiting for me? Michigan brewed libation for our drinking fun this weekend!

Back story - last week, Beer-Loving Daughter #3 was enjoying the Michigan summers, drinking North Carolina brews. I was drinking one of Michigan’s finest, Bells Two-Hearted IPA here in California.

Well this weekend all three Beer-Loving Daughters will be converging on Rancho Beermeister32 for a summertime visit and drinking festivities. Beer-Loving Daughter #3 sent these in advance. Now that’s well trained kids!

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Drinking a HB Mocha Stout - that is slightly less effervescent than it should be because the tank was in the "order gas" zone for a while. Swapped and will refill the kicked beer gas tank at my leisure. Of course , it could be tomorrow if I feel motivated to get 'er done. Ha.
 

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Another remarkable Helles comes to us from Weihenstephaner. Hey, they’ve had 985 years to get it right!

This is a terrific Helles. Like many of the Weihenstephaner brews, it is true to style, authentic and very well produced. Delicious malty flavor, restrained hopping, nothing jumping out of the glass to bite you back. This is a smooth and very easy drinking Helles.

I’m really pleased to see the number of US brewers that are now taking on some of the German styles. We went through a APA period, huge IPA phase, then a NEIPA phase, sours in there somewhere, and now a lot of brewers are settling back into some of the traditional styles that never really left our favor. There’s any number of faux German Pilsners, Helles, Dunkels and others on the market.

One thing I wish a lot of domestic brewers would do however is nail down the basics. I think a careful study of the available styles, like we are doing here would result in more closely produced beers. I see a lot of brewers come up with their own interpretations of things. In some ways that’s a good thing, but getting the original style right is fundamental first - before making a bunch of artistic changes!

Part of this effort is getting the hopping levels correct, bitterness, flavor and aroma. From an appearance standpoint, there should be some head, some lacing and in the case of most German Lagers, a crystal clarity. Kellerbiers, Zwickelbiers and Hefeweizens are cloudy; not so with Pilsners, Helles and Dunkels, these should be crystal clear!

Again, Weihenstephaner stands up to the task… They are perfect in darn near everything! 1516 compliant, 4.8% ABV, malty, perfect balanced hopping, it’s all good! Prost!

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Another remarkable Helles comes to us from Weihenstephaner. Hey, they’ve had 985 years to get it right!

This is a terrific Helles. Like many of the Weihenstephaner brews, it is true to style, authentic and very well produced. Delicious malty flavor, restrained hopping, nothing jumping out of the glass to bite you back. This is a smooth and very easy drinking Helles.

I’m really pleased to see the number of US brewers that are now taking on some of the German styles. We went through a APA period, huge IPA phase, then a NEIPA phase, sours in there somewhere, and now a lot of brewers are settling back into some of the traditional styles that never really left our favor. There’s any number of faux German Pilsners, Helles, Dunkels and others on the market.

One thing I wish a lot of domestic brewers would do however is nail down the basics. I think a careful study of the available styles, like we are doing here would result in more closely produced beers. I see a lot of brewers come up with their own interpretations of things. In some ways that’s a good thing, but getting the original style right is fundamental first - before making a bunch of artistic changes!

Part of this effort is getting the hopping levels correct, bitterness, flavor and aroma. From an appearance standpoint, there should be some head, some lacing and in the case of most German Lagers, a crystal clarity. Kellerbiers, Zwickelbiers and Hefeweizens are cloudy; not so with Pilsners, Helles and Dunkels, these should be crystal clear!

Again, Weihenstephaner stands up to the task… They are perfect in darn near everything! 1516 compliant, 4.8% ABV, malty, perfect balanced hopping, it’s all good! Prost!

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"From an appearance standpoint, there should be some head, some lacing and in the case of most German Lagers, a crystal clarity."

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"From an appearance standpoint, there should be some head, some lacing and in the case of most German Lagers, a crystal clarity."

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Frankly, I can't tell you how disappointing it was to get back to Oregon, while doing my kidney donation thing, and finally getting to see and taste some pFreim and Chuckanut lagers, the beers that were lauded for bringing back serious lager in the US. They were cloudy! That's bush league. That doesn't even cross the first hurdle necessary for contention for a good lager. If nothing else, a lager should be clear!

If I can produce brilliantly clear lagers from an apartment in Washington, DC, and get that done within two weeks.... What the hell is stopping them?

Frankly, it's embarrassing, expensive, and disgraceful what passes for lager in the US. Don't get me started on Buoy, they aren't even using a lager yeast!

I ended up guzzing cans of Paulaner Munich Lager (Helles in other parts of the world) while I was in Oregon. It was cheaper and far, far better than anything local. It tasted great and it was clear, and it was half the price of the cloudy American lagers that were supposedly going toe-to-toe with the Germans.

How embarassing!

Edit: I'm not taking shots at your less than clear home brewed lager. We're homebrewers and we're all learning--I think your homebrew is amazing, no matter how clear it is!

Instead, I'm squaring my sights at domestic professional brewers that claim to be going toe-to-toe with the Continental brewers. You can't do that unless your beer is clear, and their beer ain't clear.
 
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Aah thank gawd I'm off product management and onto new project. Long contract and great guy to work with. However, Evil Empire company is expanding seriously this time to my area and want to meet. For tens years they've been calling me to move. Fellows at my current job are not my friends 🤔

Spyglass and The Open

Inference Engine 8.1% Double IPA ($3.00/$5.50/$9.00) *Cans To Go

Double Dry Hopped hazy DIPA hopped with Citra, Motueka, Citra Incognito, and Motueka hop kief.
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Light Lode 4.6% Grisette ($3.00/$5.00/$7.00)

In collaboration with Lost Shoe Brewing, a traditional Belgian style Grisette with spelt and triticale.
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