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Yes.I just drank a beer brewed in plastic... Am I going to die?
Your husband shoots you when he finds you sleeping with your brew partner.
Yes.I just drank a beer brewed in plastic... Am I going to die?
Yes.
Your husband shoots you when he finds you sleeping with your brew partner.
temple240 said:Zbouri? Did you really make two usernames to troll a homebrew forum?
But if you let an actively fermenting alcoholic beverage sit in ANY plastic bucket for a week, it is quite likely you will be drinking estrogen-mimicking plastics.
Well considering margarine is chemically one molecule away from being plastic, do I have to stop eating that too.
kh54s10 said:So, still no link to the study. I smell a troll.
At the least it's dredging up an oft debated topic.
Let's talk about the dangers of glass...
Do you even know what you are talking about and who the hell is Zbouri? Lol
My friend who works as a birth assistant has seen a huge increase in birth defects, attributed by the doctors at her hospital to endocrine disruptors in our environment.
So yeah, I'm a little concerned.
Besides, hippies hate science
So many fail trolls that only pick out little unimportant items and refuse to see the big picture or look at facts. Just go to the EPA website if you want more info on the subject. Until you have something useful to say without being a dick, I will continue to brew in glass and have healthy offspring.
slohsandt said:So many fail trolls that only pick out little unimportant items and refuse to see the big picture or look at facts. Just go to the EPA website if you want more info on the subject. Until you have something useful to say without being a dick, I will continue to brew in glass and have healthy offspring.
I just bought a plastic bucket from brew and grow. Should I switch to glass? I just thought the bucket would be easier to clean....as long as I don't scratch it
I've been wondering about this myself. I've done a significant amount of study in the field of endocrine disruption.
1) Endocrine disruption is a real thing. However, like carcinogens, it is very rarely directly traceable. It is almost impossible to say Symptom A was caused by Compound B, etc.
2) Plastics are loaded with endocrine disrupting compounds. We've struggled with this problem for some samples we tried to have analyzed for estrogens. All of our samples including blanks came back extremely high and we traced it back to the plastic bottle the ethanol was stored in and the rubber tubing (same as in siphoning for homebrewing) that we used.
3) Endocrine disruption is much more dangerous for developing infants and children, so the people that would be most affected (kids and pregnant women) shouldn't really be drinking anyway. For grown men not interested in reproduction the effects will probably be almost nil, except these compounds are sometimes linked to cancer.
4) The argument that most of our food is already in plastic so it must be safe is ridiculous. Endocrine disruption is a relatively young field, and regulation is extremely slow. My house still has lead paint, does that mean it is safe?
If people are interested, I have access to many journals and can find specific articles.
I'll be needing to do a before and several follow up inspections. There will be spreadsheets, charts and graphs to show that it's all in the name of science.I just drank another beer that was fermented in plastic? What are my chances now? Will my boobs get bigger?
2) Plastics are loaded with endocrine disrupting compounds. We've struggled with this problem for some samples we tried to have analyzed for estrogens. All of our samples including blanks came back extremely high and we traced it back to the plastic bottle the ethanol was stored in and the rubber tubing (same as in siphoning for homebrewing) that we used.
I've been wondering about this myself. I've done a significant amount of study in the field of endocrine disruption.
1) Endocrine disruption is a real thing. However, like carcinogens, it is very rarely directly traceable. It is almost impossible to say Symptom A was caused by Compound B, etc.
2) Plastics are loaded with endocrine disrupting compounds. We've struggled with this problem for some samples we tried to have analyzed for estrogens. All of our samples including blanks came back extremely high and we traced it back to the plastic bottle the ethanol was stored in and the rubber tubing (same as in siphoning for homebrewing) that we used.
3) Endocrine disruption is much more dangerous for developing infants and children, so the people that would be most affected (kids and pregnant women) shouldn't really be drinking anyway. For grown men not interested in reproduction the effects will probably be almost nil, except these compounds are sometimes linked to cancer.
4) The argument that most of our food is already in plastic so it must be safe is ridiculous. Endocrine disruption is a relatively young field, and regulation is extremely slow. My house still has lead paint, does that mean it is safe?
If people are interested, I have access to many journals and can find specific articles.
You seem to know something about all of this.. Is the vehicle for all of these studies ethanol related or is it everything stored in plastic buckets? I pickle a lot of stuff from my garden in Ale Pails.
I've considered sending some of my homebrew samples to our collaborators to test for estrogenicity, but would feel bad because of the cost and effort involved. I will do some literature review to see if anyone else has done a similar study.
Good question, in our specific case the compound we were studying was ethinyl estradiol which is a chemically modified version of estrogen used in birth control. It has very low solubility in water, so we make our initial solutions in ethanol, then dilute into water for our studies. Ethanol is a much better solvent for endocrine disrupting compounds than water. However this was 100% ethanol, not the 5% that is in most beer.
Thhe samples that were contaminated from tubing only had water run through them.
If you use vinegar for pickling, it would be better than water, but not as good as ethanol as an organic solvent. How long are they in there?
Months. I will generally make my brine at the onset of harvest, mid summer, and will pickle my selected produce for a couple of weeks. Then it usually takes me and my family a few months to go through it all up until the middle of winter.
And I usually use white vinegar for pickling although I have used homemade malt vinegar from leftover beer rackings in the past.
My house still has lead paint, does that mean it is safe?
I know it was only used as a example but yes. So long as the paint is still on the walls it is safe. Like asbestos, the danger comes when it flakes off or is in dust form and is eaten/inhaled. I know I am being pendantic and will quit nitpicking now.
To tie back to the original point, government inaction is not the same thing as assurance of safety. Pediatricians had been reporting on the dangers of lead paint in houses and on toys since the early 1900's. Lead paint was not made illegal until the 70's, and could still be found in gas until the early 90's.
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