Verizon iPhone?!?!

[Airborneguy]

I personally don't like being locked into to using something like itunes to manage my phone, mp3s, apps etc...

I totally understand where you are coming from, but there's two things I consider in why I stick with Apple:

I hate PC's because of the attacks you have to constantly endure by potential viruses, pop ups, etc. Couldn't take it anymore. So I bought a Mac. Now that I have a Mac, itunes is not only free for me, but integrated. So obviously I am not turned off the to program, I have no reason to be.

Second:

Keep in mind that the android os is a open source linux based os and that macos is just a customized version of freebsd that they charge you for.

I use the internet a lot, I'm on the computer all day for work, but by no means am I a "techie". Even if I stick with this Droid I'm getting, I'm not the guy who's going to be personalizing it and developing apps, etc. So I'm more concerned with my phone company limiting what I can do with the phone (Verizon's notorious for this), than with Apple limiting me.

 

[Christafer11]

Ok so when the "Iphone" came out a buddy bought on and I was like ok this is cool but I think I would throw it against the effin wall its so s l o w...Then came 3g I was on board and was great 3 family members bought one after they played with mine. Then swmbo got the 3gs I didnt see the big deal there not really upgrade except for then they kept getting new software and then was better. So this last summer I knew I was due for a new phone and had some friends with droid increadble not sure what model but a black berry of some sort and I waited until the evo came out (with the same thought about sprint being cheeeeeper!!!) Sprint is cheaper for a reason they don't as much as vs or att because you CANT use your phone as much their coverage SUCKS. So I stayed with att but got the phone4......one other note att has lowered their data plan price $15 for 250mb ...$25for 2gb..the old plan was $30 unlimited but I went back and checked only 2 months in the past 18 did I actually go over 250mb so I lowered my plan and now only pay $15 for the data so my new phone is actually cheaper and MUCH better than the old Iphone3g. Check consumer reviews on the phones your looking at buying. battery life is a huge drain with the htc evo and the "apps" and software for droid seem to keep coming up as problems. As for Iphone if you want to avoid some of the "apple" limits jail break is an option but I have no need now theres really nothing I cant do that apple limits. The biggest down side to Iphone I think is Itunes what a bitch that program is. When and if apple does have a problem the fix it quickly. Im not a apple guy or one who wants steve jobs in fact the ONLY apple product I have is the iphone4 but at the end of the day it is still the leader and every other phone is trying to duplicate it.

 

[jgln]

Ok so when the "Iphone" came out a buddy bought on and I was like ok this is cool but I think I would throw it against the effin wall its so s l o w...Then came 3g I was on board and was great 3 family members bought one after they played with mine. Then swmbo got the 3gs I didnt see the big deal there not really upgrade except for then they kept getting new software and then was better. So this last summer I knew I was due for a new phone and had some friends with droid increadble not sure what model but a black berry of some sort and I waited until the evo came out (with the same thought about sprint being cheeeeeper!!!) Sprint is cheaper for a reason they don't as much as vs or att because you CANT use your phone as much their coverage SUCKS. So I stayed with att but got the phone4......one other note att has lowered their data plan price $15 for 250mb ...$25for 2gb..the old plan was $30 unlimited but I went back and checked only 2 months in the past 18 did I actually go over 250mb so I lowered my plan and now only pay $15 for the data so my new phone is actually cheaper and MUCH better than the old Iphone3g. Check consumer reviews on the phones your looking at buying. battery life is a huge drain with the htc evo and the "apps" and software for droid seem to keep coming up as problems. As for Iphone if you want to avoid some of the "apple" limits jail break is an option but I have no need now theres really nothing I cant do that apple limits. The biggest down side to Iphone I think is Itunes what a bitch that program is. When and if apple does have a problem the fix it quickly. Im not a apple guy or one who wants steve jobs in fact the ONLY apple product I have is the iphone4 but at the end of the day it is still the leader and every other phone is trying to duplicate it.

Weird, I have never had a coverage issue with Sprint.

 

[sudsmcgee]

Really? I couldn't find it anywhere cheaper. What you say it's worth?

Maybe 25 bucks? With contract they're free. I got my Incredible, which is a much better phone, for $25.

I realize you don't want a contract, but 100 is still too much.

 

[HexKrak]

The iPhone 4 is ok as long as you have a silicone case (to prevent dropped calls from the external antenna issue), and will give you the "total package" computer/music/phone feel that you're looking for.

The incredible, X, and other 1ghz android phones are superior products, but obviously aren't what you're looking for.

P.s. if you think that people aren't making viruses and web attacks for macs with their popularity with the credit card happy college kids, guess again! You just don't have the antivirus software to tell you that it's happening yet That extra $$ you're shelling out isn't for a superior product, it's a surcharge for design and trend.

That said, apples are shiny, and easy to use. So if you enjoy using it and have the money to pay for it then more power to ya! I won't try and convince you otherwise, just throwing out what I've gleaned after working in IT for the last 10+ years.

Oh, and AT&T's "bad reputation" has come from the iPhone, not their service. I was an AT&T customer with a Windows Phone for 2 years, and a standard cell for 2 years before that and never had a dropped call, or reception issues. Their customer service was also incredible as I had some issues with the company I ordered my phone from and they resolved the issue for me AND gave me a credit for the minutes I spent talking to CS even though it was never their fault to begin with. I switched to Verizon for the incredible, and have had nothing but poor reception, bad coverage, and lousy customer service. I'll be switching back to AT&T when my contract is up as long as they have the phone I'm looking for at the time.

 

[Rick91981]

I also would advise against the D1.

A lot of the newer software (games, multimedia) is starting to get increasingly processor heavy and the D1 is quite antiquated. On top of that, there are notorious keyboard 'bubbling' issues with that line. (Co-worker replaced 4!)

Root it then overclock it! Mine runs nice and smooth(@ 1GHz). They keyboard is not great but it is still perfectly usable, just takes some getting used to.

But yes it is an older phone. The newer ones definitely have far superior hardware.


And to anyone who thinks Verizon will lock down the iPhone when it comes to the network, there is no way they will do it. When it comes to smart phones, they keep them open and I see no reason they change that for the iPhone.

 

[Airborneguy]

Maybe 25 bucks? With contract they're free. I got my Incredible, which is a much better phone, for $25.

I realize you don't want a contract, but 100 is still too much.

Its not that I don't want a contract, I am in contract. I just upgraded 3 months ago. I'm stuck for now. I looked all around ebay, can't find this phone cheaper than $57 (auction, so it will probably go higher), with most in the $200 range. For $100 from a guy I trust, I'd say its well worth it.

 

[Airborneguy]

P.s. if you think that people aren't making viruses and web attacks for macs with their popularity with the credit card happy college kids, guess again! You just don't have the antivirus software to tell you that it's happening yet That extra $$ you're shelling out isn't for a superior product, it's a surcharge for design and trend.

I understand that most of the "protection" comes from less people trying to kill Macs so far, but lets face it, a PC is subjected to DAILY, hell, HOURLY attacks. Every minute you spend on the internet is spent fending off viruses. You have to have cleanup software, spyware software, security software... forget it, I got tired of all that crap. Is it the PC's fault inherently? No, but either way it exists. Its like being born in North Korea: not your fault, but your life is gonna suck no matter what.

 

[Flomaster]

iPhone = JUNK....

if you're an apple fanboy your are PRO MAC, iPhone, iPad, AppleTv. etc.

iPhone is locked down pretty tight. you can't customize it like you can other phones. battery can't be changed *or thats how it USED TO BE*

there are much better smart phones on the market right now even if the iPhone came to verizon I wouldn't want anything to do with it.

I have a moto Droid since 11/09 and I absolutely love it and wouldn't trade it for 10 iPhones.

-=Jason=-

 

[Rick91981]

but lets face it, a PC is subjected to DAILY, hell, HOURLY attacks. Every minute you spend on the internet is spent fending off viruses. You have to have cleanup software, spyware software, security software...

Now you are just exaggerating. I have never had a virus/spyware issue. It is just a matter of smart browsing. The problem is people are dumb enough to click on anything. You could take out an ad on a page and have it be blatant and say "click here to infect your machine" and i guarantee you people will click on it.

 

[MetallHed]

I hate PC's because of the attacks you have to constantly endure by potential viruses, pop ups, etc. Couldn't take it anymore. So I bought a Mac. Now that I have a Mac, itunes is not only free for me, but integrated. So obviously I am not turned off the to program, I have no reason to be.

Second:



I use the internet a lot, I'm on the computer all day for work, but by no means am I a "techie". Even if I stick with this Droid I'm getting, I'm not the guy who's going to be personalizing it and developing apps, etc. So I'm more concerned with my phone company limiting what I can do with the phone (Verizon's notorious for this), than with Apple limiting me.

If you think a Mac isn't a PC then you are wrong from the start. Open up a mac...same crap as in a PC.. just different OS.. that's the difference.. You buy the name "Apple" and they tell you it's different and better than a "PC" when they aren't much different in terms of what's actually in them.

I've owned my comp for 7 years now (getting pretty old but still fast as hell on the net) and I've downloaded boat-loads of porn, music, games, and movies with little to no problems. All that I have on my comp is the standard Sementec security. To say that PCs are constantly under attach is Apple propaganda, and maybe the Apple users should quit falling for the "You've just won a million dollars! Click here to claim your prize" banners.


My Droid allows me to download anything on it.. and I don't have the VZW subscription so I don't pay anything extra. In fact, I just got the free NFL Mobile app available to Droid and get to listen to the pathetic 49er games. I also have a full html browser so I can go anywhere on the net and see the same thing as any desktop comp.

I just don't like the iPhone and was pretty disappointed after hearing so much hype.

Give the droid a chance and take some time to explore it.. honestly if you aren't biased towards Droids to begin with I don't know how you could choose the iPhone over Droid when using them side-by-side.

 

[ndsgr]

But, but Apple "just works!!!"

If I was a hacker, I would love Apple fanboys. They never have any virus protection and I could steal anything from them and they would never know until the bills start flowing in.

The only "superior" security aspect to apple is that they hold a relatively low market share. It's more efficient to make malicious code for PCs because there are more. The more market share apple takes up, the more prone to attacks they will be. They do not have superior technology or anything of the sort.

I am a fanboy of no one, but I do know a lot of software I run doesn't work on Mac. I have had 3 trojans in 5 years and they were caught immediately by McAfee.

 

[Airborneguy]

Wow... this went somewhere I didn't expect. I wasn't even intending to argue the merits of the iPhone (which I didn't). I only wanted to see if anyone knew any inside info about it coming to Verizon.

Now you are just exaggerating.

True, I was exaggerating. But the point has a basis in fact.

But, but Apple "just works!!!"

If I was a hacker, I would love Apple fanboys. They never have any virus protection and I could steal anything from them and they would never know until the bills start flowing in.

So where are all the Mac virus's? I already clearly acknowleged that most of the "protection" comes from the fact that Apple holds a low market share. I'll even add that major systems don't run Apple software, so hackers have no real interest in Mac. That is exactly why I am willing to spend the extra money: less attacks. A neighborhood isn't safe because the Army is there, it's safe because it is not the inner city. So you buy a house there. Same concept.

I am a fanboy of no one, but I do know a lot of software I run doesn't work on Mac. I have had 3 trojans in 5 years and they were caught immediately by McAfee.

Exactly why you shouldn't buy a Mac, just like the gamers I spoke of earlier. But look at your second sentence. Going on 3 years now, and not even a single pop-up. I'll give you that I have 2 years before I catch up to the 5 you are claiming, but I'll take those odds while you hope not to get another Trojan.

If you think a Mac isn't a PC then you are wrong from the start. Open up a mac...same crap as in a PC.. just different OS.. that's the difference.. .

True about the OS, but my Mac didn't come preloaded with a single outside, unwanted program. I have never bought a PC that wasn't loaded with tons of free offers, free trials, demos, etc. All crap and nonsense. The extent of Apple's "advertisement" on the Mac is having the Apple.com site preloaded on your bookmarks. Hardly an intrusion.

.. honestly if you aren't biased towards Droids to begin with I don't know how you could choose the iPhone over Droid when using them side-by-side.

There's no bias in any of my posts. As a matter of fact, my Droid is sitting right between my hands as I type this...

 

[brrman]

No junk came on my PC since I built it from scratch. And I haven't had a virus in recent memory. Mac's are nice, but overpriced and less versatile. I have an iPhone right now, but after using it for a year I will not buy another. My Apple days are over.

I don't begrudge Mac lovers, unless, of course, they think they are somehow better than PC's.

 

[SpanishCastleAle]

My home computer (PC) has not had any virus protection whatsoever for several years now and I leave it on almost all the time. I haven't suffered from hourly/daily/monthly/yearly attacks. Zero attacks actually.

I plug the USB charging cable into my computer (PC) and my Android phone (Samsung Fascinate) and it syncs perfectly. Did so from day one, just plug it in and click 'mount' and you're done.

Apple could have had the entire smartphone market cornered if they hadn't limited themselves to AT&T. But now it's too late, Android is overtaking iPhone. Apple seems to step on their own dick sometimes.

Android phones from Verizon do come with crapton of bloatware. That can be remedied by rooting but many folks don't want to do that (it voids the warranty but can be undone such that they won't know, but that's even more work). Rooting also allows you to tether without charges. I'm not rooted, I will decide whether to root after Android 2.2 is released to Verizon Galaxy S phones.

For the most part, people who have iPhones think they are great and people that have Androids think they are great. Everybody thinks their kids are the smartest, their dogs are the cutest, and their homebrew tastes great too. No surprise.

I've only owned one smartphone and only for a few months but don't have any beef with Apple or the iPhone, I just happened to be a Verizon customer and was going to stick with them (and I happened across a Verizon kiosk in a moment of weakness at a Las Vegas mall after a really good trip ).

 

[Timboosh]

I don't begrudge Mac lovers, unless, of course, they think they are somehow better than PC's.

Bingo. Different strokes for different folks.

I have an Apple MacBook Pro for home use and have had Apple machines for near 10 years with zero problems to speak of. They work great, are low maintenance, and very very stable. For my personal use, it's Apple all day, but that's based on nothing other than personal preference.

I work on a PC/Windows machine at work all day every day. It has a few glitches due to our IT staff cutting some corners - NOT any fault of the machine/Operating system. It generally works really well and gives me no problems.

I'd argue that they both OSX and XP do most everything REALLY well. It's just a case of knowing how to use them and what their "limitations" and caveats are.

To the original topic:

I've been watching the iPhone on VZW a bit. And the only thing I know to "add" to that fire is - Look at Apple's track record. When you look at their newer devices, the iPhone & iPad, they are really sell THREE things: a phone, a "netbook" and HYPE.

The releases of either device (iPhone or iPad), or even "gererations" thereof have always been preceded with a TON of hype. I don't believe this to be accidental in any way, shape or form. So, will a CDMA/VZW be coming in the very near future?? I think that's simply answered by asking another question: "Is there market hype for it?"

 

[Flomaster]

I have been running Cyanogen's firmware made by Koush for the Droid since way back when. no way I would run stock phone.

Tether, Over CLocking, and other apps. Rooting is the ONLY way to run Android IMHO

-=Jason=-

 

[HexKrak]

Every minute you spend on the internet is spent fending off viruses. You have to have cleanup software, spyware software, security software... forget it, I got tired of all that crap.

I think this entirely depends on the security program you're running, and how you have it configured. I hold the belief that companies like norton and Mccaffe like to tell you how much risk you would be in without them so when it comes time to renew, you gladly buy a new copy.

Using windows defender and or AVG along with a spyware utility my system silently and effectively protects my system and I only ever see if I downloaded an infected file (which has happened once in the last year since I'm no longer a pirate).

Like I said though, you know what you want, and there's plenty of people like you who will accept the inferior hardware for the user experience that they expect. Frankly I don't think that there's anything wrong with that, so long as the person is aware of the decision they're making.

 

[Rick91981]

So where are all the Mac virus's?

Not that it is by any means extensive nor are many of them overly malicious, but since you asked... http://www.neowin.net/news/a-history-of-viruses-on-the-mac

 

[Airborneguy]

Thanks for proving my point

Once again, I'll try to make this more clear.... I KNOW THAT THERE ARE LESS VIRUSES WRITTEN FOR MAC AND THAT IS THE MAIN REASON MACS GET INFECTED LESS...

... and I am willing to pay extra for that peace of mind.

When the time comes that Macs are getting attacked as much as PC's (...and 30 year-long list contains more than 13 viruses), I'll probably reassess what I believe is better for me. Until then, its obvious.

 

[ndsgr]

I think our point is that you are WAY overstating a problem. To each their own, but you sound like someone booming the warning of hot side aeration or autolysis in less than a month.

Enjoy your Mac. BTW, not a gamer. Audio/video is great on a Mac, unfortunately (well, I don't really care) a lot of other professional software isn't available.

Plus Steve Jobs is a ****** bag. "It's your fault, YOU don't know how to hold a phone."

 

[Airborneguy]

Read my OP. This whole discussion wasn't my intention at all. If I can say what I think, its that everyone posting here automatically hears "pretentious hippy" when someone says they like Apple products, and then this discussion develops.

I'm still open to hearing inside info on when the iPhone is coming to Verizon, the only point this thread ever had... (but I'll also defend myself from the accusations of Steve Jobs ball-sucking and being a pretentious hippy a-hole who buys Apple because it is sweet and shiny looking and smells nice.)

 

[ndsgr]

Read my OP. This whole discussion wasn't my intention at all.

I'm a huge Apple guy - won't buy a PC ever again

Is anyone else going crazy over this like I am?

The answer is overwhelmingly no.

 

[jmo88]

I'm still open to hearing inside info on when the iPhone is coming to Verizon

I check macrumors.com almost daily for any info on it. If any news breaks, even remotely hinting at new info, it'll posted there pretty quickly. AT&T makes me rage. My original iphone doesn't connect to the data network anymore and my cell phone coverage sucks and I am in the middle of the city.

 

[jsb]

Over the years I have installed hundreds if not thousands of PCs. But recently have converted my entire family to macs. We have 4 Mac books, as well a a huge iMac. We have 5 or 6 iPods, and 2 iPads. So you might call me a fan boy. However 2 of our 4 phones are verizon androids. Verizon for me is the best carrier, and the android phones are the better phones. Just my thoughts.

 

[Airborneguy]

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That comment was to explain why I wanted an iPhone so bad. If you are confused as to the intent of my original post, you will likely be confused about many other things.

The answer is overwhelmingly no.

The veracity of the comments here begs to differ... strongly...

 

[Airborneguy]

I check macrumors.com almost daily for any info on it. If any news breaks, even remotely hinting at new info, it'll posted there pretty quickly. AT&T makes me rage. My original iphone doesn't connect to the data network anymore and my cell phone coverage sucks and I am in the middle of the city.

I'm going to start checking that site for sure. I hear all the same things from my friends about AT&T, which is why I never switched. I just never imagined it taking so long for Verizon to get it. Plus, AT&T doesn't offer unlimited data packages anymore, which makes my decision (in regards to a possible carrier switch) easy.

 

[airmek]

To the OP.

If your watching either NFL Playoff game today, your answer should be pretty obvious by now!

I'll keep my Droid X though.

 

[Airborneguy]

I did see that commercial during the Packers game, but anyone who just found out about it today hasn't been paying attention to current events.

I've grown to like my Droid also, and will probably keep it for at least another 6 months to see what happens with the iPhone. I still probably will get it eventually, but the Droid is so far doing everything I want it to do.

 

[Flomaster]

i'm sorry, but no way I will trade in my flawed Droid1 for a Verizon iPhone sorry not going to happen. and YES I am due for an upgrade via Verizon


-= Jason =-